Your society is too polarized, please don't be part of the problem.
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As a leftist, I dislike this sentiment. We should not normalize isolating folks on the far right.
Of course, do what you want with your friend groups. Kick someone out if you don't like hanging with them. But if you can swing it, there are a lot of cases where it can be really good thing to expose conservative folks to leftist worldviews in a friendly setting.
I feel including conservative folks has a much more direct and convincing theory of change than excluding them does.
(Again, it is cool if you don't want to do that.)
This is the way to go.
If they don't have left wing friends they would only have right wing friends, and surely they won't ever change their mind in that environment.
To be real that attitude is a little abusive, "be like I want or I left you!" kind of deal. Preying on vulnerable people that would change themselves just out of fear of being alone. I don't want that. I want convince people of my views because they see how good they are, not because I threatened them.
I agree with the sentiment and have practiced this for years -- it was pounded into me during my education-- but have not found any balance in it. The evils stay evil and I feel like they thrive on my making room for them. Its very odd that some otherwise sane and caring people can have these parts of their personalities that are completely distinct from the rest of how they think, and it doesn't make any sense to me personally. Usually the biggest hurdle is around Israel support. So we stay friends, but I think they are evil shits and they think I'm a peacenik moron who is naive out of touch with the real world (I think).
I'm not certain, but I think at its core is racism and lack of respect for others, while wishing them well at the same time. So they want to tell themselves they are good people, but hate on certain ethnic groups. Kind of a "I'm going to shoot you in the head but I feel bad about it" sort of thing. Ironically they dont know a single thing about islam, and universally dont know any muslims.
They tend to be middle class too-- truly middle, and well above average intelligence, mostly with career success. They dont worry about money, really ever. Victims of propoganda? I still dont know.
Kind of a "I'm going to shoot you in the head but I feel bad about it" sort of thing.
Not sure if you were making a reference, but one of Israel’s most distinctive propaganda tactics is literally called Shooting And Crying. Basically, get your former IDF soldiers to act all sad about the atrocities they had to commit, so the public focus stays on sympathy instead of the war crimes and genocides they committed. Nobody feels good about kicking a crying person while they’re down, so it’s a way to shunt blame and avoid being held accountable for your own actions.
Basically, divert the blame onto the shadowy and faceless “they”. They ordered me to do bad things. They put me in situations where I was forced to make impossible choices. They forced me to struggle to survive. They are the reason I had to do all of those awful things. Because “they” is a faceless amorphous entity that can’t be held accountable and can’t defend itself against allegations. Meaning “they” is easy to shift blame onto as long as I remain a sympathetic victim in the public’s mind. If I keep crying, I never actually have to apologize for my war crimes, because they should be the ones apologizing instead.
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I've been doing a little bit of this with someone I work with. The thing that really got her attention was me pointing out I can't make a gallon of gas by myself, buy I can make a kilowatt of electricity with stuff I have lying around my house/yard. And that equipment will make me more kilowatts, for free.
The thing that really got her attention was me pointing out I can't make a gallon of gas by myself, buy I can make a kilowatt of electricity with stuff I have lying around my house/yard.
Yeah, the Technology Connections video on solar panels vs ethanol production (growing corn to turn into ethanol to add to gasoline) was honestly a great tool for convincing people who simply never bothered to think critically about it. I don’t even need to get them to watch the video, I simply paraphrase some of the arguments he makes.
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I can't make a gallon of gas myself
Come to my house and watch me compress algae and phytoplankton and turn it into fossil fuels over millions of years.
If you are voting to take away my basic rights and safety we can't be friends. That includes 100% of Trump voters, 90% of Republicans and about 30% of Democrats. If you include less basic rights that unfortunately includes another 30-60% of Democrats or so but hierarchy of needs and all that.
Yeah, especially on my husband's side, we've had to cut contact with some extended family. I'm trans, and we're not even out about my past to these family members on his side of the family. I met my husband after transition. They're Southern Baptist deep south folk, and while they're quite friendly when we meet them, they also don't know about my trans status.
My natural inclination is to not rock the boat in such matters. I didn't suggest we cut off contact; I didn't want to be responsible for cutting my husband off from his extended family. I was willing to overlook it to maintain the peace, especially as we see them very infrequently.
But then my husband told me his perspective, and it chilled me to my bones. There was no question on his part. When discussing it, he simply said:
"They voted to kill my wife."
As a leftist, I'm on board with this sentiment. But as an ex-right-winger, I know this would exclude me from my current community. We should allow space for growth and reconciliation, but if you still support Trump and the Republicans at this point, fuck you.
I agree, but if you voted for him the last election it becomes harder for me. The first one, ya you wanted to stick it to status quo. I get it, not support it. Hillary did suck. The second time it is hard but at least Biden one. But after all the shit, lies, rape, epstein, COVID, fraud, impeachments, obvious corruption....and still support him. That's tough. It is like a Nazi in 1946. Redemption at that point will be hard earned only.
We should allow space for growth and reconciliation
Growth. Something anyone that's still a Trump supporter, or in my opinion still were during the 2024 election, are incapable of. He was already a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist during the 2024 election. Anyone that voted for him in that election is a trashcan garbage piece of trash.
Reconciliation. Something anyone still supporting him is in no way interested in.
You can't reach people that don't want to be reached. And at this point they don't deserve the effort.
Yup.
I forget where I learned this, but about 30% of Germans supported hitler until his cold blooded killing of hitler.
There are people who cannot be reached, and should be shunned by society.
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I've done this to even my close family members.
I'm willing to cut very special people in my immediate family a break if they renounce Trump, but they refuse to do that.
Their hill to die on is raping kids. They are, of course, devout Christians that constantly talk about God and love.
These people are hopelessly lost and stupid.
My friends group removed any Trump voters in our orbit, I removed all Trump voters from my social media, and I don't speak to family members that voted for him anymore.
The result? A lot less stupid in my life.
Rapist, fascist, racist, insurrectionist, pedophile, felon, conman, serial liar... Why sell him short?
All that stuff was well known BEFORE the election. That's why I don't have any respect for those who now claim they "made a mistake".
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Same with “I don’t vote” centrists who complain about Trans people in sports but don’t say a peep about ICE, DOGE, and everything else. They can go right to hell.
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Australian here who was 100% convinced that Trump ran as a joke to get Hillary elected in 2016.
Now here knowing that Trump is an insane old man who should be in a retirement home and not running a country.
But I don't care for the fact that most of American politicians are supporting the terrorist state of Israel. Trump is an insane old man but Israel is horrific. Phone bombs, burning children alive, pumping US citizens tax dollars (that was given to them) into lazy American politicians.
You were kinda correct. Trump becoming the big Republican nominee was part of the Pied Piper strategy of the establishment Democrat party. The Hillary Clinton campaign intentionally uplifted radical conservative candidates in an effort to make winning elections easier. The logic was if the Conservative party looks crazy, the Democratic party can run on simply pointing out that craziness without needing to actually have specific policies or positions. The establishment Democrats loved the idea of doing less work, so they eagerly adopted the strategy and focused on crushing their own left flank candidate Bernie Sanders.
The Clinton campaign and the DNC had done a bunch of oppositional research on Donald Trump in preparation, but chose to sit on it, not wanting to tank Trump's chances of becoming the nominee. They focused instead on Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.
This is why the US has a bunch of feckless Democrats who never seem to run for anything, only against Republicans. They keep running this same, "vote for me or you'll get the crazy man" strategy, even though they keep losing with it.
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It hurt most when my sister told me that she voted for him. Most of my family did but I didnt know that at the time.
My family aren't bad people but this post makes me realize more that I just dont want to talk to them.
Dont want to be reminded that they voted for trump twice.
That I wasnt smart enough or trusted enough or just there enough to stop it.
Even if I could have, the media machines had them. PA suburbs bleed into country.
I dont know...I just remember listening to a 3-4 part podcast about Trump, in 2016, when most people knew that he was a slum lord and a weasle.
Anyway, im listening to this podcast on my sister's couch just stupified that he won and I say, "Knowing all this I can't believe this is who got elected."
And her just saying, "Well I voted for him."
I just...it hurts man. And every time im there is have to pretend it doesn't.
They are bad people tho 🤷🏻
"Look, my family aren't bad people. All they did was turn their heads when the Nazis came door to door looking for people. It's not like they PERSONALLY did any of that. They just wanted the economy working again."
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Having voted for the pos is one thing,
STILL supporting it in 2026, after everything that has happened and everything that is known,...
The word straightjacket comes to mind.
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Hell no.
This should've been normalized in 2016. Probably long before that even.
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the silver lining of being a very queer trans person is no one who voted for him wants to hang out with me anyway, so i dont end up running into them in my social circles. they might want to fuck me though, which is weird dichotomy...
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"Fuck off shitbag. You can't hang with us; You voted for a rapist pedophile."
Electing a useful stooge to usher in a new age of American fascism is probably something this nation will never fully be able to come to terms with, and may not survive. It’s incredibly disappointing and disheartening that we have to depend on the shock value of outrageous sex crimes just to get the attention of voters.
In addition to the normalization of rape culture, here are some other horrible things that are already happening, and continue to get worse as we continue down this path:
- Techno-fascist police state
- Concentration camps
- Domestic military operations
- Open kleptocracy
- Federalized “elections”
- Illegal and continuous wars at executive whim
- Out-of-control, self-sustaining, irreversible global climate change
- Increased risk of nuclear conflict
I think I prefer, “You enthusiastically voted for an obviously fascist lunatic.” But hey, whatever gets butts in the booths while we still can.
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