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[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 115 points 5 days ago (21 children)

Ponzi called, he wants his scheme back.

[–] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Well the jerk store called, and they're running out of you!

[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 days ago

Relax Costanza 😂

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[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 127 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"Top Economist" states the bleeding obvious.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

He forgot the: Because investors are now the only ones with money to spend.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fancy being a top economist and therefore being privy to knowledge that is beyond the capabilities of us mortals. We thought the AI was a profitable business, and it turns out it's a giant scam, who would have thought it?

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[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The problem with capitalism is that morons can get filthy rich and make poor decisions.

Example 1: US president.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, look at Zuckerberg, who recently burned billions on his crappy virtual reality project, and is now doing the same with AI.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The stupid thing is there are already profitable VR games that basically do exactly what Zuckerberg was trying to do. So despite the fact that he could just copied somebody else's homework he managed to screw it up.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 5 points 4 days ago

I mean really the same problem with Monarchy. Once someone somehow gets on top very hard to remove them and their descendants from power even if the original person or their descendants are complete idiots.

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[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 78 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah and the biggest issue is covered well here: https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/the-house-of-ellison-is-on-the-brink

Essentially: the profits are in the infrastructure end (AI companies paying for parts to build the data centres) not the consumer facing end (the actual models - customer paying AI companies). The money is coming from investors buying in to AI in the hope of winning the supposed arms race to be The One True AI. The whole thing depends on the revenues in the consumer facing end going up to show this is a growing market and make people believe they will eventually reach profit. But the revenues in the consumer facing end are fake and being inflated by circular movements of money including companies like Nvidia paying companies like OpenAI to buy product, or OpenAI paying for product in stock. The revenue inflation is very similar to how Enron inflated it's books its revenue appear higher than it really was.

The brutal reality is: there will not be One True AI to Rule Them All. Instead AI is looking increasingly like a commodity - people will just use the cheapest, simplest tool to do the task, rather than play inflated prices for a swiss army knife AI. And people can host those cheap, simple AIs aleady at home, or on servers in the cloud, or companies can also do the same. The whole US bubble is predicated on spending as much money as possible to stake a claim in a future Google, when it's looking more like it'll be like the fast food sector with razor thin margins. Some of these companies may end up profitable but this is going to be a hell of a lot more competitive and less profitable than the valuations assume.

Expect a very nasty correction.

[–] DeepRoots@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I literally cannot wait for the correction

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[–] tinsuke@lemmy.world 84 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Funny how the "Top Economist" just parroted what Ed Zitron, also quoted on the piece, has been harping on, since... checks notes always.

Edit: Zitron, the name. Not Zitrone, The German word for lemon.

[–] aim4harmony@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Mr. Zitrone 🍋✨☺️😃

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like the name of an Arcimboldo painting

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago

When this is all over the world owes Ed Zitron a massive fucking apology.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 50 points 5 days ago

It's a giant economic bubble in plain view.

[–] redditStinksSuperBad@lemmy.world 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Let's not forget that they're literally stealing from anyone who ever made anything in our entire history.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The goal isn’t consumer level profits, the goal is to replace workers, this is the first time capitalists are looking farther than quarterly profits. They’re investing in R&D to replace us, not selling a product. We are not part of the plan.

Oh my god thank you. Somehow despite being engulfed in this stuff being an I.T person while having affection toward Ed Zitran and full agreement on almost all arguments living this weird ying yang over the topic.

This is the succinct detail I hadn't clued into until this moment of what the core motivation is for all of the crazy spending that makes zero sense. It's literally this. There is no amount of money, lying, cheating or stealing that cannot be justified by the most cynical of capitalist if they believe this is the outcome.

It's such an obvious thing when you put it like that and I'm even sure I've seen it said before but it really hit me for some reason from your comment. They would move mountains if they thought there was even the smallest chance and bet the entire farm over it.

First you have recognize there is no barriers to their cynicism I guess but this is the only root cause conclusion that could be rationalized. That or fomo and temporary wins but for those spending and not on any receiving end, I couldn't make sense of the rational until you said it so plainly.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago

They are paying for fantasy about rendering people redundant, the sik fuks.

[–] Napster153@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

It's not even capitalism anymore, assuming they expect their peers in corruption to actuallg pay each other and themselves a fair amount.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I feel like everyone knows it's a bubble but that people are expecting it to be like the Dot-com bubble where a small amount of companies succeed, hoping that they invest in those companies.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

That's pretty much what is driving the entire AI "boom". It's the Amazon effect.

Amazon, and Netflix to a certain extent as well as a number of other early internet startups, lost money for around 10 years before they started making shit tons. And everybody wants to be on that particular ride. So they are queueing up in every AI line they can find to hedge their bets on one of them being the one that survives and thrives. It doesn't really occur to any of them that all of them could fail. Because "AI is the future". Except there is no plan to monetize any of them. And so far every time one of them introduces a charge, people stop using it.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I feel like it's just as likely that further breakthroughs cause costs to plummet to the point that any of the major AI companies will never even be capable of seeing a profit, paving the way for some yet unestablished or open model to reign supreme in the end.

Hopefully, anyway lol.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Why is it that almost all big financial situations in my lifetime are Ponzi schemes?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This has Ponzi elements, but it's closer to a multi-company Enron in its structure. They're manufacturing fake revenues through circular investments. Nvidia invests in AI companies and increases their value while AI companies use that investment to buy Nvidia cards increasing its value so, so they invest more in AI, so they buy more cards....

Enron did this by making fake companies to generate fake revenue. Right now the tech sector is all working together on this scheme, so none of the companies are fake, but the revenue is.

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[–] webp@mander.xyz 37 points 5 days ago (60 children)
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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Together they're on the hook for over a trillion dollars in lease payments, so far, that haven't started yet. They're counting on turning a profit before they need to start paying that back. That's why they're shoving it down our throats, they either make this shit work or they go down in flames.

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/ai-data-centre-race-builds-1-trillion-lease-burden-big-tech-2026-08-04/

I'm betting they go down in flames, base on the absolute shit-show "AI" has turned out to be. They keep claiming they have fixed it, or they will fix it, and then it shits the bed again in some public, spectacular way.

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

'Profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers'

Which profits?

Ah, now I see the actual quote is: "[...] the AI boom's profits are currently being funded by investors rather than earned from customers." he means the profits of the shovel sellers, not AI profits.

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think AI could have a good tool for specific purposes and also a very lucrative business if only they had not thrown all that money at it.

The extreme investments forced them to roll it out prematurely over a much larger market that it could ever supply in a meaningful way.

They're trying to force a camel through the eye of a needle.

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[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago
[–] Miller@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The problem is two things are happening at once and they are being conflated. Financially a cannibalising house of cards is being built which is a common artifact of modern capitalism. But in the same process a means is being realistically sought, and openly expressed, to replace the human workforce. This second aspect is unique and when written plainly is far more stark than the more common financial greed fuelled idiocy half.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Nah, I'm sure all the most valuable companies and richest people are pouring more money in to developing AI to replace the human workforce out of the goodness of their hearts.

Once most humans are no longer needed in order for them to have all of their needs and wants met and they are directly in control of all production and everything else they definitely plan to share everything equally and turn Earth into a utopia for all of humanity. Sharing and caring is what the rich and powerful do best.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

CEO, "It will pay off because I'm the visionary."

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Regardless, fuck AI and its speculators. Onward the Butlerian Jihad.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Looks a little triangle shaped.

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[–] PangurBan@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Most things work this way lol

Heavy unprofitable investment with hope that the thing matures with time and expansion resulting in profits.

"Top Economists"

[–] ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Investment shouldn't count as earnings. You're literally borrowing the money...

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[–] antianarchist@sopuli.xyz 20 points 5 days ago

What a smart economist that is. 2 years after everybody knew how this scheme works, they came to the same conclusion. Amazing. Now the world will for sure change. Thank you.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago
[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago

Fortune is part of this bubble. They helped create it by encouraging top management to ride it... And even here they still do "he said" reporting.

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 days ago

Investors don’t create profit, they give capital, very different dynamic, I want this bubble to burst so bad

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