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A Trump-appointed judge also said Americans have no “constitutional right to truthful information” during a public health crisis.

On Friday, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the dismissal of a lawsuit against the city of Jackson, Mississippi, which alleged the city knowingly let residents drink lead-contaminated water.

The lawsuit, first filed in 2022, says the contamination violated Jacksonians’ constitutional right to bodily integrity. Donald Trump-appointed judge Kurt Engelhardt disagreed. “The Constitution does not provide redress for every governmental wrongdoing,” Engelhardt said.

“Defendants’ actions allegedly deprived Plaintiffs of clean water and guileless information. These deprivations, while grievous, do not infringe upon any deeply rooted constitutional right.”

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[–] magnue@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

Foreshadowing

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 54 minutes ago

Elections have consequences, everyone who stayed home and allowed Trump to be elected to two terms has enabled this.

I honestly don’t know if the US will actually be able to recover from those 6 (and counting) years, as an Aussie it feels like we’re watching the equivalent of the Fall of Rome in real time.

That bastard has managed to isolate you from your allies, line his pockets with billions of dollars, nearly bankrupt your country, destroy your military credibility, pollute your water, air & food, roll back your rights, and so much more.

It will take at least a generation to undo this damage, and I don’t think there’s enough political will to do what would need to be done to arrest this decline.

You will likely fall into oligarchy, to become another Russia in my lifetime. Just another regional brute, living off the fear and intimidation you were able to impose on your glory years.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Well, he's sorta right. It's not explicitly in the text (though, one could argue it would maybe come from the 9th Amendment). The basis for the Clean Water Act and the EPA would arise out of Congress's power to promote a general welfare combined with regulating interstate commerce.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 38 minutes ago

they want flint to be repeated in every state.

[–] bobbyfiend@retrolemmy.com 5 points 1 hour ago

It honestly sounds like the judge has a point. The plaintiffs contended that there was a constitutional right. There doesn't appear to be, in Mississippi.

[–] Redditisbollocks@feddit.uk 6 points 2 hours ago

Land of the Free motherfuckers!

Buy some top tier filters, people, you're going to need it!

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

The Jacksonians should make this judge into a lamp ornament. This judge doesn't give a shit about the good of the nation nor the spirit of the Constitution, let alone the wellbeing of the people.

[–] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 hours ago

It shouldn’t have been a “right to safe drinking water”, it’s an assumption of risk issue. The default setting in the US for a few generations is that the tap water is safe to drink. This reeeally smells like a malicious ruling.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 33 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

"Oh look at me, I'm an entitled American. I want water to drink and to not be lied to. Wha Wha Wha"

You give people this and they'll start asking for healthcare next instead of just dying in the street with pride.

Bunch of greedy entitled fucks.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Who invited Steven Miller to this thread?

Steven Miller has probably never been invited to anything. He just pops out from around a corner or behind a bush and your heart stops beating for a second.

[–] muffedtrims@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

*Nestle enters the chat

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

Sooooo... Abortion is cool, right? Either they're humans and not entitled to the necessities to live, or they're not humans and can have separate constitutional rights.

Or maybe there's a third option here? Is there something special about people from Jackson, Mississippi that would preclude them from enjoying constitutional/human rights?

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 27 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals

The judges there regularly issue decisions so far right even SCOTUS won't get on board. "Fifth Circuit" really ought to be in the headline of articles about their ridiculous decisions. It's the Fifth Circuit doing Fifth Circuit things.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 42 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (4 children)

Says right here, "Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness."

Without clean water there's no life. With no life, there's no liberty, and no pursuing happiness.

How do you "promote the general welfare" with filthy, poisonous water?

This is like the most fundamental thing, even Rome provided clean water. We've been surpassed by ancient Rome.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yes, but- Someone forgot to transfer that line to the constitution. We’re all going to die or become bonded corporate slaves because of an administrative oversight.

Edit: on second thought, maybe the first one was a well-written a call to arms and they knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote the actual charter.

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[–] usernameofthisaccount@piefed.social 73 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

How do spineless, soulless morons become judges? There seems to be a lot of them.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Not to defend a trump judge, but it sounds like the ruling is simply that the constitution doesn't guarantee the particular right in question. Which is true. There's nothing in the constitution about this.

It's a matter of environmental law, sanitation, public health, etc. I'm sure there are laws that this situation violated, but the fact is that the laws it broke weren't in the constitution. So the plaintiff's lawyer kinda messed up by making this case about some made-up constitutional right and not the specific laws that are on the books at the state or federal level.

The case shouldn't be over. They just need to focus on laws that actually exist instead of some AI hallucinations about the constitution.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 48 points 12 hours ago

Money money money. This is when I can say America is finally in the medieval era. Healthcare for the kings/lords, diseases in everything including food and even the water can be poison. Just like the old days.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Davel23@fedia.io 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

By other spineless, soulless morons.

[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Given there's no apparent resistance I lack evidence of an opposing group.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago

Because the political system intrinsically defaults to a two party system making it very easy to entrench the two parties and create controlled opposition, which then works to squash actual resistance.

You can see it in action right now within the democratic party where a certain group of people would rather see them lose elections than support candidates who are looking to oppose the status quo.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

This absolutely needs to be the next amendment added to the Constitution.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

We need a wholly new Constitution. The old one had many good ideas, but the implementation and a lack of lessons learned is rendering it useless.

[–] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

We can’t get an amendment to say women get fair and equal protection. You expect something to pass that helps black communities?

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 11 hours ago

Well if judges had the right to not be harassed and have their houses burned, it would be in the constitution too!

[–] bigmclargehuge@lemmy.zip 30 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Opening line of the Constitution. Pretty sure anything bold could be applied to safe, clean drinking water.

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

Conservatives have no concept of truth, justice, or rule of law. They wield the law as a weapon and ignore it when it suits them.

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Do Americans have any rights anymore?

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

Those aren't Americans. Those are rich people with American money vacationing in America.

[–] pentastarm@piefed.ca 13 points 11 hours ago
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago

Spirit of bill of rights, even if it didn't say so explicitly, would include "Government shall not kill you for no reason, or tell you that killing you is good for you". Bill of rights is weak, because, rightfully speech that "falsely yells fire in a crowded theater" should be infringed/persecuted. But speech where the government/puppet media tells you "this is fine, when theater/contry is on fire" is far more dangerous, when entire oligarchy/zionist stooge establishment reinforces the lies.

[–] supernicepojo@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

What about the water youre paying for that had the implied value of being safe. Being defrauded by a group selling the water is a crime and every customer should have access to what they are paying for.

[–] robomuffin79@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

US citizens are unwittingly time travelling back to a palaeolithic style of life. You want the government to provide clean water? “F**k you!” replies Uncle Sam

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

It is time to unga-bunga Uncle Sam with this oversized club.

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