The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder

Jason Koebler joins for a look at the value of a decentralized approach to the Tech industry and social media in providing users a cohesive and interoperable experience.

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[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Shame only Mastodon was mentioned by name out of the Fediverse alternatives.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

They did mention Activitypub as well. But yeah most still only associate the fediverse with mastodon.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People aren't going to search up a general protocol though, if nothing specific was mentioned they're going to assume nothing exists that was worth mentioning.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The problem with Fediverse and Linux is that it's not "normal people" friendly. No one understands how this works because it's not accessible and the people that run and make these platforms can't communicate properly to the layman. It's the same reason why engineers aren't salespeople.

[–] growfediverse@my-place.social 4 points 5 days ago

@OldChicoAle @Coelacanth I’ve always found this a weird argument. Literally every major tech we use is never because the normies understood it. Like I’ve lived through them getting the home PC, AOL, myspace, smartphones, etc etc. Normies never just start to use this stuff. They get dragged to it and taught how to use it by the other people in their lives who show them. It’s exceedingly rare for a normal person to see an ad and go ‘why yes, this is the thing for me!’ They always have a helper holding their hand.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago

I used to think it was that, but now I realize that it's not "just" communication.

Like Lemmy for instance is somehow more authoritian than Reddit itself - not for an instance admin but for the end user I mean. While there is a modlog, there is no modmail, no notification about an event such as removal of someone's post, no ability to even know who to DM to ask for clarification or appeal (the modlog used to say more, but nowadays simply says "mod"), and on Lemmy.ml people are routinely banned from communities that they have never even so much as heard of, for making a comment in some other community, and importantly, for violation of an entirely unwritten rule (that while the instance is e.g. pro-genocide when done by certain nations, any negative portrayal of an action done by other nations is not allowed). The latter, especially when the end user receives no notification of it happening, sounds an awful lot like shadowbanning to me.

Instance admins are free, mods can be depending upon the graces of their admins, but end users... are given whatever freedoms the admins allow. Just like Reddit, except less content, and no modmail. No amount of merely explaining this to people who tried Lemmy, got bullied (stories abound in r/RedditAlternatives), and went back, is going to convince them to try again. The tools themselves just don't live up to the hype that people have already tried promising, and the development moves at a snail's pace.

Though PieFed gives me more hope.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I think the biggest issue is most people dont know what they are using to begin with. If you ask them, they will say they are not using Linux. While on an Android phone, with a router that may have linux (or at least some sort of nix), with servers that are likely Linux.

They only see the base platform (like mastodon). They wont know what the fediverse is, but they are "using" it. Ive seen the phenomenon with some of the newer people to mastodon, pixelfed, etc...

But yeah we are NOT salespeople lol. The good ones can make money selling just about anything. We are an active money sink (but thats ok).

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Thanks @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com!