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doi: 10.1037//0021-843x.105.3.440

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[–] hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago

I've always assumed this (and assumed that other people assumed this), because if you talk to homophobes they'll eventually say something like "it's a choice!" because it's a choice for them. It's not a choice for me because gay porn doesn't turn me on -- and if it did I wouldn't care anyway because that's how I was raised. But it DOES turns them on, AND they were raised in an environment where this is THE WORST THING EVER, so it upsets them and they get all irrational and punchy (lesson learned: DO NOT discuss this theory with a homophobe.)

TLDR; IMHO Homophobes who think orientation is a choice are closeted gays because logic.

It would be nice to see a better study. Interesting if one hasn't been done in all this time...

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

1996 sub 100 participants

Data quality is shit, and should be discarded.

That aside, I feel bad for my extremely closested buddy. We went to a rather homophobic highschool, and a mildly homophobic college, and he always tried too hard for ladies for how dedicated he was to his certain type of looks.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Funny, but the sample size? Would like to see a larger study (probably would show the same results).

I also wonder if they considered bi individuals in the non-homophobic group.

If these are easily answered by reading the paper, I'll see it now, when I actually read it.

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Bi - the invisible sexual orientation.

Glad that Lower Decks has a bi protagonist. Its really sad that bisexual people just seem to be completely invisible within the broader culture.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I have not watched it. I love me some star trek, but haven't really gotten into the "new" ones. Mainly because I need to pirate them, and haven't yet.

It is a good point on bi individuals being somewhat invisible. It seems like most people just assume their orientation by the person they're with, or people they most commonly "go for".

[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

35 people makes it a useless study.

[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

it was 64 people. edit: and also, even 29 or something like this is a lot, assuming that they are selected kind of randomly and not all belong to the same social group etc. If only 3 showed a reaction like described, sure. We need more data. but with a hitrate of 100%, what do you expect to happen if you 10x the number?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago

Shit, you could go through the political news and find more than 35.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 160 points 1 week ago (12 children)

It's always important in science to do the experiment or study, even if you're pretty sure you already know the answer.

Sometimes, the result will be surprisingly counter-intuitive. And other times, like in this study, it confirms what seems blatantly obvious.

What could it possibly mean when a man who identifies as heterosexual feels threatened by the mere existence of homosexual men? What could it mean???

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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 113 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Homophobes: resist those evil urges, don't give it to the gay sex, you can do it just say no...

The rest of us: uh, who's gonna tell them

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you're scared enough, even wiping your ass is gay.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is fake right. Please tell me this is fake

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Personally I think he should have to explain for once.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That's outright disgusting.

If you need to regularly scratch your anus, go see a doctor.

Also, even if you do need to scratch your anus, why wouldn't you be able to eat with your hands? SURELY you sanitize them properly RIGHT? RIGHT?!

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you need to regularly scratch your anus get a bidet and some ivermectin

[–] Pot8o@mander.xyz 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Oh I didn't realise COVID made your anus itchy! Is it a new variant? 😂 Edits for spelling cos I can't apparently.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 101 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So interesting thing here: both groups were aroused at heterosexual and lesbian stimuli.

The homophobic ones responded to the homosexual stimuli.

The guys were bi. Sort of explains why they argue "everyone chooses to be gay or straight." Because they have decided they have to.

This also explains the more-frequent-than-i-enjoy conversation about how "no, there really isn't a celebrity I'd go gay for."

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've long suspected that most people are at a 1 on the Kinsey scale. Plenty of yall are 0s, but I'd guess you're probably the second or third most common group

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

TIL about the Kinsey scale. It would appear that yeah, I'm definitely a 0 by the description.

But thinking about it, it makes sense. I've heard people say they "always knew they were gay" and "they were born in the wrong body." And it was things that were just natural.

That's the only way I can describe it. I'm attracted to women. I've always known that, and no matter how hard I try, it's impossible to imagine non-women to be sexually (and romantically) attractive.

Like there's just something there that stops it going any further. Like, hell, a woman that visually has a body that can indisputably only be a woman but then talks with a baritone voice it's instant off (there's several comedies where this sort of character is used).

What's cool though is that if I'm that sure about myself, there is no doubt in my mind that other people know what their attractions are, and there is no reason for anyone to doubt a person's (honest) attractions.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I feel like bisexuality is way more common than what we see. And if anything, I feel like the reason why so many women are more likely bi or willing to experiment vs men is literally just the bullshit stigma against being seen as gay.

And this may just be my experience, but being bisexual isn't as easy as just choosing one or the other. The problem is that if you repress that much of your sexuality it only grows more... Intense. And sometimes more depraved, which is never a good thing. And I feel like that's why a lot of those men end up getting caught doing "gay" things but it's never just normal stuff. It's always super crazy shit they get caught doing because it's been repressed for so long that they make awful impulse decisions on feelings they've been ignoring for years. Like holding in your anger for 30 years and then going absolutely fucking mental when your coworker takes your parking spot.

[–] Nefara@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know in my case I was open to relationships with women but dating men was so much easier it just never happened. On the outside it seems I'm hetero because that's all anyone would see.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

That's kinda the situation I'm in too. Dating women has always been easier for me so according to everyone that knows me I'm hetero even though I've told them that I'm bi. They just can't see it.

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[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 95 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Most of what I learned about LGBTQ came from homophobes. The ones who would not shut up about it.

For example when I didn't know that rainbows were associated with the community. I had friend school over one time. He saw a blanket with a rainbow stripe pattern. He basically had a gay panic meltdown. He was so certain we were a family of closeted gays.

So anyways later on he got a degree from a bible college or something. And he joined an evangelical church. One where they travel around to city streets around preaching from megaphones. Kind of like that Westboro Baptist thing.

In our early 20s he sexually assault me. I found out later from another guy we went to school with that he also forced himself on that guy too.

He's not the only person I've known like this but certainly the most crazy one.

If there's any true to the saying that gays rub their identity in everyone's face. Then it's the homophobe ones. It's got to be a massive projection. It's like they're trying to tell the world but it manifests as some kind of self-hate in denial or something.

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[–] underscores@lemmy.dbzer0.com 89 points 1 week ago (28 children)

I really don't like the idea of citing this study. It's always this same one from the 90s, and if it were acurate I expect the results would have been reproduced more. It's also not clear that the results indicate what the paper says. There's other reasons than sexual arousal that could explain the results. It could be they're imagining the scenario and are axious or disgusted by it. There's this paper that indicates homophobia is usually caused by fear or hate.

I don't like the idea of putting the blame for homophobia on closeted queer people. It's seems extremely likely to me that most homophobic people are straight, since most people are straight. Also we should respect other people's own identification instead of trying to force labels on people, even if they're bigots.

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[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

IIRC, this hasn't been debunked per se, but it was a very small, very limited study, and doesn't really do a great job of explaining homophobia in a broader population. (I mean, you're talking about 64 people in total; depending on your inclusion criteria, that could be a meaningless sample size.) Penile plethysmography is a proxy for sexual arousal; it's useful in some instances--like predicting whether or not someone will commit more sexual offenses in the future--but isn't even that great in those instances. If I remember correctly, there's strong evidence that disgust is a trait strongly associated with conservatism, and homophobia is a an extreme disgust reaction.

FWIW, I was casually--but quite virulently--homophobic when I was younger. I'd been raised in a very conservative, evangelical religious group, and I believed all the bullshit that I'd heard about gay people. That changed once I lost religion, and actually met people that were gay. That, of course, is only anecdotal evidence, and does assume that I'm neither gay nor bisexual (and I don't believe that I am), but it fits with what I've seen from conservative thought.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is this why Republican senators keep getting caught kissin' with other men in public restrooms?

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