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So this has been annoying me lately; drivers leaving excessive spacing when stopped for a red light. I get it, you don't want to be right on the next guys bumper, you should leave space to escape if the guy in front stalls or somebody tries to carjack you. But 2-3 car lengths? It really bugs me when they do it in a left turn lane causing a back up to the travel lane resulting in overall congestion. Or, if they're first at the light, they don't pull up far enough to reach the road sensors that trigger a light change. I haven't been able to isolate to a specific demographic, seems to be young, old, black, white, you name it. Maybe they're just stoned at the wheel. I'm tempted to roll down my window and ask 'wtf'? I'm in the Northeast US. Has anybody else witnessed this?

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[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (3 children)

When I took my driving test. The correct spacing was taught as, if you can see their bottom back tires visible above your hood, then that's the correct distance.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 8 points 5 days ago

so with modern hood heights, that's... 30 meters?

[–] frosty@pawb.social 5 points 5 days ago

I still hear my driving instructor saying this, 30 years ago. Thanks. :D

[–] rollerbang@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I don't know... People have wildly different positions in a car and this easily fluctuates for a few car lengths. Then again, people in general suck at estimating distances.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You should just be able to see the ground under the back tires of the car in front of you. That’s the appropriate distance.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Usually this is the result of distracted driving. At a stop light? Perfect time to check your phone! Once the light turns green I give a solid three count then I honk. I'll probably end up shot dead sooner than later but fuck it and fuck those assholes on their phones.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

In case of armed road rage, remember that your car is a weapon. It's self-defense if a gun is drawn on you.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Once the light turns green I give a solid three count then I honk

In Ottawa it's a customary 4 picoseconds.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I usually flash my high beams first as a more gentle “look up” and then do the horn if they don’t notice that one

[–] zorb@piefed.social 5 points 6 days ago

Yup, I see this shit all the time. "The sooner I stop the faster I can stare at my fucking phone!" It's one thing I wish was actually policed, cause these people are a menace. It's one thing to risk your own life, but those dumb asses are making it dangerous for all of us around them. Throw in two or more and baby you've got a stew going.

[–] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

I leave a couple of feet between the front of my Miata or Wrangler and the next car ahead. I've been driving since the late 70s and this is the first I've heard of the "botton of the tires" rule of thumb. It wasn't taught back in the day (is it, widely, now?) and it doesn't make much sense to me since it's a function of the size and the shape and height of one's vehicle, which can vary greatly, whereas I know where my front bumper is and I can (usually) clearly see where the rear of the car in front of me is, and hence create the appropriate gap. Sure, I might leave more space if I'm on a steep hill and think the person in front might have a manual (another Miata for example) but that's rare.

Up until very recently people seemed to always keep just a couple of feet between cars at stops like I did. This business of "a car length or two" seems like a very new thing - the past 5 years mostly - and that led me to think it's some kind of stupid new internet cancer. Probably some "influencer" telling his/her audience that you should put your dominance on display at stoplights by pissing people off and preventing them from getting through intersections. Or putting your dominance and alpha-hood on display by blocking them from getting into the turn lane at all. Anything to get attention, anything to show that you're not (truly) a nobody, even when you are, because you have power!

I've only been rear-ended once in 45 years of driving. Being a d*ck on the road in order to (allegedly) absolutely f-ing MAXIMIZE your own self-perceived "safety" (from highly unlikely events) at the expense of everyone else is a totally modern-American sort of thing to do I guess. But I'm not doing it.

[–] LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 days ago

Tyres and tarmac!

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You should be able to see pavement under the rear tires of the car in front of you when stopped

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

I don't leave any space

I just ram them

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Are 'road sensors that trigger a light change' a real thing? I thought lights are on a timed cycle.

[–] Peter_Arbeitsloser@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There sometimes are induction loops under the street for this purpose: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop

[–] kinttach@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Video, radar, and infrared are also common. In some places I’ve been, only older non-upgraded intersections have induction loops.

[–] XM34@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

In Germany almost every traffic light has them nowadays. It can sometimes be annoying when you're riding a bike made of carbon. But usually my phone and laptop seem to be enough to trigger them.

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I once ran a red light with my moped, made of steel, because the light never turned green

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[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In the US I've noticed a difference between west coast and the rest of the country. West coast tends to use these circle bandsaws to cut circles into the pavement, everywhere else uses a circular saw to cut rectangles into the pavement. Either way, these are the things you want to be stopped right on top of, especially if you're on a side street or left turn where you might get skipped if it doesn't sense you. If you're on a motorcycle, try to scoot up a bit so a car can be on them. They probably won't sense a motorcycle.

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/resources/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/induction-loop-traffic-lights-sensor.jpg

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Enough that you can maneuver out of the lane in an emergency.

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