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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT 🙌🙌 🙌

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] backgroundcow@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

No shade on people trying to make sustainable choices, but if the solution to the climate crisis is us trusting everyone to "get with the program" and pick the right choice; while unsustainable alternatives sit right there beside them at lower prices, then we are truly doomed.

What the companies behind these foods and products don't want to talk about is that to get anywhere we have to target them. It shouldn't be a controversial standpoint that: (i) all products need to cover their true full environmental and sustainability costs, with the money going back into investments into the environment counteracting the negative impacts; (ii) we need to regulate, regulate, and regulate how companies are allowed to interact with the environment and society, and these limits must apply world-wide. There needs to be careful follow-up on that these rules are followed: with consequences for individuals that take the decisions to break them AND "death sentences" (i.e. complete disbandment) for whole companies that repeatedly oversteps.

[–] JaceTheGamerDesigner@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We could really use a movement to get more people to try adding beans, peas, and tofu to their grocery list. I wasn't able to stick to not eating meat, but sticking to eating less meat by adding alternatives to my grocery list turned out to be quite easy.

I gonna be honest: Tofu is a completely underrated food. If done right it tastes absolutely fucking awesome. You can also put it onto bread and there are plenty of different flavoutlrs that you can easily buy in a supermarket.

The trick is to find the right message and tone for the moment. I also think change like this is necessarily incremental. It's possible that with enough doom-and-gloom around a pending "market correcting event", that helping everyone reduce grocery bills by eating vegetarian a few nights a week, would be the right message.

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[–] plyth@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

This needs to be normalized by calories. Soymilk and soybean oil shouldn't be that far apart.

[–] drsilverworm@midwest.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

The single best thing you can do for the climate is not existing. The next best thing is not having kids. The lifetime of consumption of a person is out of the equation without that person. Until we figure out how to live sustainably on this earth, overpopulation is a real problem.

Edit: To be clear, I want you to still exist with us in this world. Especially since I don't believe in any kind of afterlife. I'm just stating a tough truth with no clear action statement, besides maybe figuring put how to live truly carbon-neutral. Some things are just a catch-22.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

You first, buddy.

If not, this is just a slippery slope argument to "those other people shouldn't exist/have babies". That's just the door to eco-fascism.

[–] drsilverworm@midwest.social 1 points 21 hours ago

I'm not calling out any single group, but speaking broadly about all humans. How does that jump to "those other people"?

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've got a special trick where I can make pretty much the entire internet rage at me. Check it out:

I'm vegetarian.

[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine how being vegan makes you the most horrible pariah. Change of diet was not difficult at all, but I wasn't quite prepared for the social consequences.

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[–] Tautvydaxx@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Are bilionairs white meat?

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[–] Sniatch@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Eating meat also means lots of animals have to suffer just for yout pleasure. I know people get triggert real fast if you mention how bad eating meat really is. It's like a drug for some people.

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[–] Echofox@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And not having any children!

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Beef is overrated. Pork, poultry, and wild caught shrimp are where it's at.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (6 children)

What bother's me about these sorts of posts is they don't give people a consumption goal. Blindly telling everyone to consume less isn't exactly fair. Say, for example, there's person A who consumes 1 unit of red meat per month, and person B who consumes 100 units of red meat per month. If you say to everyone "consume 1 unit of red meat less per month", well, now person A consumes 0 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 99 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Say, you tell everyone "halve your consumption of red meat per month", well, now person A consumes 0.5 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 50 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Now, say, you tell everyone "you should try to eat at most 2 units of meat per month", well now person A may happily stay at 1 unit knowing that they're already below the target maximum, they may choose to decrease of their own accord, or they may feel validated to increase to 2 units of red meat per month, and person B will feel pressured to dramatically, and (importantly, imo) proportionally, reduce their consumption. Blindly saying that everyone should reduce their consumption in such an even manner disproportionately imparts blame, as there are likely those who are much more in need of reduction than others. It may even be that a very small minority of very large consumers are responsible for the majority of the overall consumption, so the "average" person may not even need to change their diet much, if at all, in order to meet a target maximum.

I feel like this objection makes the most sense in a particular context, like a culture that views beef as some sort of prize, or a marker of being ahead in the competition for social status with one's neighbors. (U.S. culture very much views it that way.)

If Person A eats only 1 unit of beef per month, what would make dropping to zero "unfair" is if we assume that they are too poor to afford more ("losing"), or engaging in asceticism, but holding on to that one unit as a vital connection to the status game, or a special treat that they covet.

But what if it's just food? Person A may just not be that into beef, and probably not even miss it, just like Person B probably also wouldn't notice a difference between 100 units and 99 units. In the sense that neither A or B really would notice a small change all that much, it's fair

Anyway, random thoughts from somebody who thinks steak is just kind of meh.

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 12 points 1 day ago (11 children)

i’ve replaced beef in my diet with kangaroo for exactly this reason… it’s not the same, but it’s great in its own right and contains a load of iron. makes cutting beef out much easier

bonus: roo populations have to be managed otherwise in modern australia they tend to multiply uncontrolled and it’s a problem, so it’s either eat the meat or waste it… roo meat isn’t farmed

This is why I'm mostly okay with hunting deer, here in the US. We displaced their predators so it's on us to make up the balance. I say "mostly" since, like others are saying in this thread about taking habitat away from kangaroos, the better answer is to give them an actual functional ecosystem to live in.

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