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I like how people say “Eat the rich” and “attack and vandalize musk product” and also the “boycott usa product” But then “i am with trump on this, houthies shouldnt attack ships because it affect economy”
Houthies this time stood for what they believe in “if you blockade aid to enter gaza, we will continue blockade on international goods through the red sea”
I can agree that we ought to not blockade the people of Gaza while also believing another group ought not shoot missiles at innocent shipping in an effort to raise awareness for the first group.
It’s not cognitive dissonance.
You really dont know why people say "eat the rich" and "boycott usa product" but have issues supporting an internationally recognized terrorist organization?
So what, as long as I support Palestine, I'm free to attack random ships without repercussions? Give me a fucking break.
I wonder how long the world is going to be okay with America using deadly violence in the Middle East as a way to mask and deflect from domestic turmoil? At least our “coalition of the willing (to commit war crimes)” is getting smaller.
ehhh.... fuck it, let's earn some downvotes.
I'm really not going to lose sleep over a group that intentionally targets civilian ships staffed, with you know, innocent civilians.
Trump sucks. But Iran's upper leadership also sucks, and they're funding this.
It's hilarious that your name is Robin Hood but you're completely against imposing a blockade to stop a genocide
Did Robin Hood go out and pepper innocent people with arrows? Was that the moral of the story?
Most ship crew members come from neutral developing countries, such as the Philippines. Maybe their lives don't mean much to you, but they mean a lot to me. Sorry, I'm never going to condone attacking innocent civilians.
Do you think they are civilian vessels operated by mom and pop shops? They are owned by those innocent billionaires Robin loved so much.
Boats have been warned not to travel through the Red Sea until Israel lifts its illegal blockade on Gaza.
What does any of that have to do with with the workers on the boats? Most of whom come from developing countries and are just trying to feed their families?
Astounding.
Most of whom come from developing countries and are just trying to feed their families?
Shame billionaires are using those workers as human shields and send them through a blockade. Those millions in lost revenue must affect only the poor worker and not the owner of the ship.
Yeah, and it's a shame that people, especially from developing countries, are forced into these situations due to economic realities.
Stop mentioning the billionaires. They are not important in this conversation. They are not on the the ships, and the only impact these events have on them is pushing up insurance prices and other costs but even that is a drop in the bucket.
And stop acting like you're some sort of hero. Given your position, I highly doubt you actually care any more about these workers then then billionaires. Both you and them seem to be looking at 'em as disposable.
Stop mentioning the billionaires. They are not important in this conversation.
They are the people with influence in the governments committing genocides. They are also the people primarily being impacted. They and the insurance companies. And the consumers. And Western people do not care about anything unless it costs them money
In the wise words of Mohammed Al Kurd:
You can’t protest peacefully. You can’t boycott. You can’t hunger strike. You can’t hijack planes. You can’t block traffic. You can’t throw Molotovs. You can’t self-immolate. You can’t heckle politicians. You can’t march. You can’t riot. You can’t dissent. You just can’t be.
"They are the people with influence in the governments committing genocides."
And the civilians who are actually targeted are not the ones who can influence governments.
And the attacks on the boats are not going to cause much damage to the billionaires. If the attacks reach the point that the billionaires are going to be hurt, the USA military will step in.
The people actually shouldering must of the impact are innocent civilians, primarily from developing countries, who actually main the boats.
We are the heroes of our own stories but, and I am sorry if this is rude, it's straight up gross that you're here trying to justify attacking neutral, innocent, largely unarmed, and financially constrained civilians.
I really hope you can arrive at the point where you can look back on this and realize how messed up this position is.
Robin Hood committed crimes to help people in need. What's worse? Taking cargo vessels and holding their crew ransom or genociding millions of people? Fighting evil is usually ugly, if playing nice was effective we wouldn't be here
yeah, robin hood wasn't out attacking innocent people.
We're all the heroes in our own story but you're sitting here trying to defend attacking innocent civilians. I hope some day you're able to realize how messed up that is.
How do you feel about what's happening to the Palestinians? if that was happening to you would you want someone to disrupt supply chains to help you?
disrupt supply chains? Sure. Kill innocent civilians? Honestly, probably I would want them to kill whoever to save me, but I'd know that I was morally wrong, if not outright evil.
The mass violence experienced by the Palestinians has been horrific. The October 7th attack was barbaric. Prior actions in recent times by Israel helped pave the way for that attack. Ditto for Hamas. There certainly are and were evil persons among Hamas. Likewise, there are evil people in Israel in high places.
I understand you. Taking innocent lives is wrong. I feel like my perspective comes from a similar sentiment to the JFK quote: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Peaceful means have been tried to help the Palestinian people for decades and it hasn't been at all effective. That's the only reason I could possibly find myself being ok with what the yemenis do
That's just how blockades work; what else do you want them to do?
Hard to argue that this is really a blockade. Maybe in the broadest sense. It's a violent rebel group attacking civilians in hopes of punishing political rivals with no other clear objective. That's basically the definition of terrorism.
What do you imagine happens when a ship violates a blockade? Because I doubt they just get a slap on the wrist.
It's a violent rebel group attacking civilians in hopes of punishing political rivals with no other clear objective.
So first, the claim they're a "violent rebel group" is based on the American claim that their preferred government is the legitimate government of Yemen. That aside the Houthi blockade is meant to force Israel to let aid into Gaza, not just "punish them". If that's terrorism then every act of war is terrorism.
It might be a blockade if they were attempting to block arms or other goods to Israel, but they have long since abandoned that pretense.
By international law, a blockade must be enforced by naval ships, and violating vessels must be duly warned before being boarded and redirected. The crew and cargo may be captured or released according to the relevant laws.
They are just launching rockets at any vessel in range.
Even if you somehow consider the Houthis the legitimate government of Yemen (I think maybe Iran and a few others do), that just makes it state terrorism.
By international law aid must be getting into Gaza. International law is a useless concept and is selectively mentioned when useful to the empire. Else completely ignored.
The Houthis will follow international law as soon as the other nations do so by lifting the siege on Gaza.
Their targeting of ships was also not random. Most of the ships have turned out to be connected to either Israel or America. This is often obscured by the media by only mentioning the flag it was under.
Three killed in Houthi attack on cargo ship off Yemeni coast
The owners and managers of the True Confidence, who purchased the vessel just days ago from US private equity group Oaktree Capital, gave details of the deaths and injuries in a statement on Thursday. The Houthi rebel group claimed responsibility for the attack on Wednesday evening local time.
I'm not sure what you are arguing here. Clearly we agree this is not a blockade, and your "evidence" that the terrorism is somehow valid is that one of the boats used to belong to an American company?
Clearly we agree this is not a blockade
It is not blockade unless it originates near the sprankling democracy of the US. Else it's just sprankling terrorism.
I don't agree with that statement at all.
Whether an action is justified or not has nothing to do with whether it is a blockade. We can debate the former, but you've already admitted that we agree on the latter. It is, by any rational definition, not a blockade. You've said as much. Why are you talking in circles about this? Just move on.
The Houthis lifted the blockade as soon as aid was allowed into Gaza. The only valid argument was if the blockade would continue despite Israel lifting the forced starvation on Gaza.
well, I dunno, maybe not blockade?
Uh... You do know why they're imposing a blockade right?
What, participating in one genocide isn't enough for Trump? Now he has to join Bonesaw's one against the Yemenis too?
Oh I remember this episode.
Houthis the leaders of the free world. What a timeline.
Ah yes, one of Iran’s proxies - leaders of the free world and gender apartheid /s
Ffs people…
Yes, the people standing up to genocide.
Say some words about headscarves and trans people while America and Israel are actively massacring the very people you are pretending to defend.. You must care so much about them.
It’s a lot less simple than you’re trying to make it out to be. I don’t support what Israel and the US are doing either, for your information.
Just don’t see how Iran or any of their proxies should be idolized considering their longstanding abuse of human rights among even just their own.
They do much worse than just put women in headscarves, if you’re not aware.
It is a lot simper than you are trying to make it out to be. People hold a country of people who are victim of the previous genocide and is now standing up to a new one to an impossibly high standard, while the country genociding all over the world is never held to the same standard.
The only reason it is not black and white because it is brown and white.
So… you’re just cool with the whole gender apartheid thing? Islam and Christianity need to go with both - the world would be a lot better off
It should go without saying, obviously genocide is awful and I don’t support that.
Edit: and not partaking in gender apartheid doesn’t sound like too crazy of a standard to hold a society to with its own people…
Watch out the pinkwashining brigade has arrived.
Tad hard to take le epic atheism seriously when secularism is at its umpteenth genocide since its prominence on the world stage.
The Houthis are risking their lives to stop a genocide and somehow you believe people will take you seriously if you tell them that they are not good enough to do so?
Said by the person that seems to look up to Iran and their buddies lol
I just find it laughable to call them the “leaders of the free world” when half of their own population isn’t even free lmao
You are supporting governments perpetrating a genocide over governments standing up against genocide. You might one day notice your words about freedom ring a tad hollow when you support the worlds largest concentration camp. "lmao".
… who said I support them? I certainly didn’t. I just think Iran/Russia and their proxies are shit as well.
By all means if people rise up in the US against our corrupt government, I’ll be one of the first to grab my gun and be out on the streets.
By all means if people rise up in the US against our corrupt government, I’ll be one of the first to grab my gun and be out on the streets.
Sure Iran and Yemen have plenty of faults. But they are the people grabbing the gun and rising up against the US backed genocide. By all means you or any other party is extremely welcome to showcase their moral superiority by outdoing Iran or Yemen in this.
Problem here is that conservatives are the armed ones and they’re the ones running the show with the govt. Anything that isn’t planned on a massive scale would be for naught and end up with us dead or in prison for life.
I do not recall Americans being more receptive to violent resistance against genocide under the Democrats. If anything even less.
But the Houthis were doing this under the Democrats as well. They are nonpartisan like that.
Anything that isn’t planned on a massive scale would be for naught and end up with us dead or in prison for life.
Like for example a collective demand to massively hinder the economies of participating countries with a shipping blockade unless the genocide ends?
America bad therefore... 🙄
America and Israel are conducting a genocide. Therefore the people risking their lives to stand up to America and Israel are better than America.