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[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Better Idea, let's fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.

Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.

Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.

Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor...oh wait.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look at the historic birth rate in countries where where these things aren't an issue and you'll realize that unless you walk back on women rights and access to contraception, people won't have enough babies to renew the population because they simple don't want to have enough of them to do so.

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How in the fuck do you write "unless you walk back on women rights"? Like what happens in your mind that you actually post that for the public to see? Shame on you for that misogyny, you deserve a slap.

Also, where is this magical country where I don't have to worry about wealth inequality and climate catastrophe?

You are absolutely arguing in bad faith, and for that, fuck you.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Reading comprehension much?

I never said it was acceptable to walk back on women rights, I said it's something that people who want to see a higher birthrate will have to fight against because it's not happening otherwise. I couldn't give more of a crap about increasing birthrate, I won't have kids by choice. I do give a fucking crap about women rights though!

I mentioned historical statistics because you can look back at times before climate change and wealth inequality worried anyone and birthrate was going down as women rights increased and contraception became readily available.

So, conclusion, if women are given the right to do more with their lives than being mothers and if contraceptives are made available, couples will make the decision not to have enough kids to renew the population, no matter how easy it is to have them, as we can see in all developed countries where socio economic inequality is lower than in the US. Scandinavian countries don't renew their population without immigration and haven't for a fucking long time, in Finland birthrate went below renewal rate before WW2 for fuck's sake!

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

According to my halfassed search engine results, giving birth costs on average $18,000.

Just the cost of epidural, estimates range from $1000 to $3500 out of that cost.

[–] dangling_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well, in a couple of years, some countries more than 50% of the population will be retired. Even a perfect democracy would not pass a law to improve young people’s lives so they can have time and money to have kids.

Just like in a perfect democracy, no affordable housing law will be approved because 66% of the population are homeowners.

Its unsolvable.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why only after the baby is born? Is there something significant about the moment of birth or something?

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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 week ago

Lmao no it doesn't

Americans aren't that stupid

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

$5,000 will easily cover diapers, food (even if not breastfeeding), clothes, etc. for a year and more.

We can play with adding other costs, but kids can be way cheaper than paying "retail". FFS, toys, cribs, car carriers, all that shit is free, all day long. What we did pay for amounted to change, and then we sold it for change or donated it.

People have a kid, acquire all that stuff, and in a very short window suddenly have no use for it. You just about can't give it away. LOL, how many babies can wear the same one-piece until it's worn out? 10?! Our landlord's wife worked a charity for baby stuff. Gave us tons of goods, we gave it back.

[–] based_raven@lemm.ee -1 points 1 week ago

You can't clothe a baby for a year with $5k? We did it for basically fuck all. Had a load of stuff handed on from other parents, got some stuff from ebay and in sales. The fuck are you dressing the kid in, solid gold? Also how much is this person spending on diapers? There is no way you're spending $5k on nappies and clothes for a baby in one year, utter lunacy. Not that I agree with anything that Trump does, but this seems like a huge overreaction. I'm not from the US so I don't know how expensive this stuff is over there, but if it really costs this much to clothe one baby for a year then fuck me and I'm shocked.

[–] whitewashersmud@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Thanks, feminism.

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