This feels like it should be illegal in the EU.
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Swede here, our laws disallow private security cameras from filming public areas.
The law is so broad that it interfered with dashcams, disallowing them for years.
That's really interesting. Is it specifically security cameras?
Can you generally take videos of people in public places? Photos?
Normal cameras and video cameras are fine, the key point is that the camera should not be fixed for continuous monitoring of public spaces.
Dashcams were a grey area, most are fixed mounted to a car with the capability to continously record so at first only cameras you manually place and trigger when about to drive were permitted, then the law was loosened further, and now I believe they are permitted.
Now here we have an interesting fact about the Swedish court system, you can present any evidence regardless of if it was collected through legal or illegal means, and the court will decide on if they will accept it or not.
The illegal part only comes into play in a separate case where you have to stand trial for whatever illegal act you did.
I found this page explaining that it's not that it's illegal (necessarily, keep reading), but that there is a GDPR exemption for private property and if you're filming areas the public access then you need to comply with GDPR. The page says for dashcams you need to comply with GDPR as well.
This page says it's generally not allowed to record, but if you read the Swedish version it has a flow chart (that I can't read 😅).
What most interests me is that it keeps referring to the GDPR as the reason why you can't record public areas (or your neighbours). I'm not in Europe and don't know much about the GDPR but why is Sweden special with these rules, why aren't all countries in the European Union limiting the use of security cameras on public areas?
Can't speak for other countries, but Sweden's rules sound similar to Germany's. You are allowed to monitor your own ground, but not public ground without good reason. Which makes cameras like Ring not explicitly forbidden, but you are not allowed to place them in a way which would monitor the street for example.
And regarding your question in the other comment: in Germany you are allowed to take pictures in public spaces, but you are not allowed to publish them when people are the main focus and identifiable. So you take a picture of Neuschwanstein and some random people are small in the foreground? Not important, so you are free to upload it to your internet blog. But if you film a couple having an argument in front of Neuschwanstein, then you are not allowed to upload it, because the focus is on the couple. You would need to anonymize their faces and voices.
And why is it not all countries? Because they didn't see it as necessary to have same rules everywhere in EU, probably due to different values, making it hard to getting a compromise. Or that it wasn't seen as important enough to bother establishing the same rule everywhere.
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I believe this is also illegal in some US States. I know of at least a couple that don't allow biometric data to be stored without concent; I think Facebook even lost a case in one state and had to pay a pretty large sum of money.
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I'm losing my mind. Ring cameras everywhere, Flock cameras, ID/face verification, everything Google touches, airports, Tesla car cameras, every modern car actually, Meta glasses, Chat Control every year, the OSA, stores using facial recognition (and other tracking), social media billionaire shenanigans, Samsung installing Israeli spyware and putting ads on the fridges, fuck even the Windows 11+Chrome+iPhone combo I see in public. I could keep going. We could all keep going.
It's too much. Idk anymore. This post broke me a little.
I am Italian and I have much fewer reasons to feel like you, but I still do and, although loving the friends I made there, I know I will never again set foot in the USA, since this comes from a culture of surveillance dating back more than a century.
I am actually offering temporary accomodation to any of my friends who may want to try their luck in the EU.
The UK has a CCTV facial recognition system that's quite massive, we've resisted such programs for the most part (a few cities have them but they're not linked together).
So it's not like Europe is free of this.
Here most of our camera systems are for our own use only, not for the government, with this giant exception.
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I'm rapidly approaching the point where I go completely feral and begin smashing every advertisement and camera I see. Smashing large billboard screens and smearing shit on walls. Just to tear this monstrosity to the ground.
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I went to my sister's house yesterday, she lived in a gated community and to visit i have to let them take a picture of my face and then scan the cam for access. i thought that's extremely obnoxious. This is far worst.
Yeah, no. I'd be inviting my sister to visit me instead.
Yeah this has to be super inconvenient for the residents. I imagine many delivery services, DoorDash, instacart, will refuse to do this bullshit. Forcing the resident to meet them at the gate, or just not receive service at all. I would be pressuring my HOA to end this policy.
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Everyone is so obsessed with surveillance. My uncle has a Ring and even if I told him about this, he wouldn't care; he wants to know who walks past his house. Now the cops will know whether he lied to them because they can subpoena Ring for their records. People are literally giving away their rights for the convenience of not answering the fucking door
The depressing part is that even if you don’t own or use Ring, you will be in their database because those cameras are everywhere. The populace has completely given up all their privacy and have done it willingly.
Not only willingly, they've fucking paid for it.
The depressing part is local self hosted alternatives exist like Ubiquiti unifi, all their cameras store locally to a hard drive on your property with all local processing.
Not in Illinois it won't. The states attorney will have Amazon for lunch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_Act
In EU this is also illegal
Great, my downstairs neighbor has one of these things that everyone has to walk by when going in or out of the main building. Why she needs one in an apartment building with a locked main door that you have to unlock yourself for guests is a mystery to me.
Simple - Because she doesn't trust the strangers living in the building any more than the strangers on the outside. I don't blame her one bit. In my lifetime, I've seen countless stories of women being raped and/or murdered by other tenants and the complex 's own security.
In the olden days, before electricity, I used to be friendly with a neighbor, and she became convinced that someone was sneaking into her apartment when she was at work, and stealing her underwear and prescription meds. She took a day off because she was under the weather, and one of the maintenance guys, who was always overly-friendly, unlocked her door, and walked right in.
It turned out that he'd been warned about this before, and he was fired. But if she, or other neighbors, had Ring cameras, they would have caught on to him immediately.
A camera inside her apartment would have the same results without invading the privacy of every other tenant in the building.
In that specific case, but most people want to identify people BEFORE they enter their promises. I'm not opening my door to any cops, for instance, unless they can slide a warrant under the door.
You are missing the point entirely. There are about a million reasonable reasons someone would want to have a doorbell camera, and they have every right to them. The owner of the camera isn't violating your privacy, AMAZON is doing that by collecting the data from a privately-owned source who hasn't given permission to hijack data from their device.
Don't be mad at the tenant for protecting their safety, be mad at Amazon for exploiting that reasonable fear, encouraging people to get Ring cameras, and then stealing the data they collect.
Is it too much to ask for a doorbell camera to operate like a doorbell? We've had peepholes on doors that can be opened and checked when needed for years with no problem, why do we suddenly need constant surveillance of the public commons? This is also on the owner for buying into the scare tactics.
IMO it should be flat out illegal to have any permanent camera that monitors a public space. I don't consent to have a stalker track when I enter and leave my home, I won't consent to have a neighbor do the same.
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In the olden days, before electricity, I used to ...
Are you like 200 years old?
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Fair enough. My downstairs neighbor can get a doorbell cam that records locally then.
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We need to normalize spray painting the lenses on these things, as well as painting "big brother" on doorways of those that own them. If you enable fascism, you should expect some minor vandalism.
You could start by sending them a letter that informs them of this occuring and how it impacts the world around them before you skip straight to vandalism. I'm sure a lot of people just never considered the extent of that data that is being shared so much as they figured only they would have access to the footage.
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I’m very happy with my ubiquiti doorbell. It records to a local NVR on my network. No cloud for this guy!
I’ve been telling anyone that will listen about my ubiquiti setup. Storing the video data locally is the only scenario that I’m comfortable with. I can still remotely log into my network and check camera footage, but no one else has access to it.
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And you're always seen as a "weirdo" or "crazy" or maybe even a thief if you want to opt out with a mask.
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Given any large database this is going to be a massive problem.
Did someone steal your package?
Do you want to know who did it?
Will you settle for knowing which of the 385 people in the country look like your villain? Some of them may even be close enough to be falsely accused!
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Americans are fucking weird, they piss and moan about speed and red light cameras, and claim they are unconstitutional. However, the Ring shit is good to go.
Ring cameras don't toss a fine at you for walking past them too quickly.
Also, where are people complaining about red light cameras, so I can avoid taking my bike or car anywhere near there? It's probably a vocal minority, but I'd prefer to know and cover my ass. Just in case.
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I don't know if it is the same brand, but my morning walks are cheered on by an increasing chorus/wave of "hello, you are currently being recorded". Weird dystopian vibes.
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Ran into this one Halloween a few years ago. Fuckers had Halloween decorations out, seeming welcoming, and when my kid went up to the door they used their ring camera to make fun of him. Once society falls in the next year or two, that's where I'm going first.
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So what happens to images of your face when they're stored? Who tf really knows. We do know these oligarchs will literally try to exploit and profit from literally anything and everything they get access to.
Some countries that aren't treated like a state run corporation are actually letting citizens copyright their own faces for their protection.
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My parents have one of these. 💀
Guess I'll be going into their place through the garage lmao
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Pray this isn't legal in the UK, under GDPR i don't think so but I'm not sure
Guess US-companies don't really care what's legal and what's not. They don't fear the repercussions of doing illegal shit. They just pay their fine - or they don't and nothing changes.
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This isn't legal where I live. It's not allowed to record public spaces
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walk fast, carry stickers
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