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[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 120 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Here's the solution. Stop using Arduino. That's how people power work. Then a new open alternative will pop up, and people can start using that. Ones desire to create and build, should never belong to only one brand - but a universal brand - whenever possible.

[–] Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i think it was already dead and replaced by the esp32s - the original arduinos are too expensive for what actually offered: get the performance of a 8-bit cpu with 2k RAM but at raspberry pi prices

[–] limdaepl@feddit.org 26 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Exactly. Why would anyone still use Arduino when alternatives are both better and cheaper?

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 1 points 17 hours ago

I rooted my original chromecast with a teensy arduino board.
nostalgia perhaps

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[–] seitzer@piefed.social 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here's a problem. Schools are full of them. They are really, really good for that specific field. People only think about their private use, but education will suffer the most. Or taxpayers, because they have to pay the bill. Again.

[–] Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

It's a problem, but a minor one. And it still talks into the fact, that it is possible to make an Open Source projekt like that, maybe even owned by the government in some way, so it can't be turned to shit by corporate interests...

[–] modus@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Hopefully places like Adafruit will stop stocking them. They should also post explanations for people searching directly for them.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

Whooooa, I had no idea Arduino sold out. I thought this was about RaspberryPi for some reason at first, but this is even worse.

The enshitifcaiton was guaranteed the second the ink touched that paper.

[–] xiao@sh.itjust.works 109 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Qualcomm has quietly made some massive changes to Arduino's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, marking a clear departure from the platform's founding principles.

According to Adafruit, the new policies introduce sweeping user-license provisions, broaden data collection (particularly around AI usage), and embed long-term account data retention, all while integrating user information into Qualcomm’s broader data ecosystem.

Section 7.1 grants Arduino a perpetual, irrevocable license over anything you upload. Your code, projects, forum posts, and comments all fall under this. This remains in effect even after you delete your account. Arduino retains rights to your content indefinitely.

The license is also royalty-free and sublicensable. Arduino can use your content however they want, distribute it, modify it, and even sublicense it to others.

The terms further state that users are not allowed to reverse engineer or attempt to understand how the platform works unless Arduino gives permission. Adafruit argues that this contradicts the values that made Arduino attractive to educators, researchers, and hobbyists.

The Privacy Policy states Arduino is wholly owned by Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. User data, including from minors, flows to other Qualcomm Group companies.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 39 points 3 days ago

What the fuck?! TO ALL USERS, ABANDON SHIP! I REPEAT...

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago

“Pay us money so we can rip off all your work!”

[–] artyom@piefed.social 20 points 3 days ago

So Adafruit will stop carrying them?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 33 points 2 days ago

"Hello, this brand of tools that was specifically made for people to learn about? Yes, you're no longer allowed to attempt to understand how they work."

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] lauha@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Micropython is a software project, not hardware

Imo, arduino is also mostly a software project nowadays. While they did make a bunch of avr boards that were quite novel and interesting at the time, now they are not as good in terms of both price and performance compared to various arm-based boards.

What keeped arduino alive is a bunch of libs and arduino ide cores for various boards ppl have written over time.

[–] franzbroetchen@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago

The MicroPython pyboard is a compact electronic circuit board that runs MicroPython on the bare metal, giving you a low-level Python operating system that can be used to control all kinds of electronic projects.

Literally the second paragraph

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[–] static09@piefed.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately all the controller boards appear to be out of stock everywhere.

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[–] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm glad I still have shitloads of ESP8266s kicking around.

Which ESP32 boards do folks recommend lately? Too many options.

Digikey sells the Espressif dev boards, not very expensive either.

[–] helix@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ESP32C3 are pretty cool. Choose a random one from Aliexpress where the board pictures are unique and high quality and the description doesn't have spelling errors or the AI flair.

[–] CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Thank you kind sir. AliExpress has been lacking my funding too long.

[–] abominable_panda@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Stupid question.

Does this apply to what you write and upload on the Arduino IDE to your boards? Or just whatever you publish on their website/ cloud?

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

First it was Raspberry Pi now Arduino. Is ESP32 all that’s left?

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What happened with raspberry pi?

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's more expensive than what it is really worth years ago, among many other problems. It was a cheap and reliable programming platform when it was Raspberry Pi 1.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's not enshittification, that's just a price increase. I'd hardly say it's the same as this change to arduino

[–] cenzorrll@piefed.ca 12 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Raspberry pi was founded as a cheap accessible computer that schools with few resources could afford. $25 boards, or if you had big bucks $35. With the intention the price would stay like that with improving technology. They broke this model with the rpi4 and have only gone up in price.

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[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Isn’t Arduino more of a software framework and less about the chips themselves? Arduino can run on ESP32 and also on a huge array of ATmega mcus.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I don’t actually know that! I have fiddled with esp32 a bit and was disappointed when Pi’s priced out most of the hobbyist market

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago
[–] sramder@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Boycott time. Fuck these pricks and their money.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago

Are RISCV microcontrollers out yet? Might be a good idea to rally around making a fully open IDE ecosystem and breakout board standard for it (maybe even make it pin compatible with the old school Arduino, surely they can't sue for that right?)

Thankfully, this doesn't seem to apply to code written outside of the Arduino ecosystem, so i ASSUME that if you're writing code for a cloned board using PlatformIO that these new terms don't apply to you

If that's not the case, I'll switch to micropython (probably easier anyway)

[–] prex@aussie.zone 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Beagle boards are looking better - What other alternatives are recommended?
Edit: sorry, I was thinking of SBC's. Blue pills & ESP are good hardware, the libraries & toolchain Im not so sure about.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please tell me ESP32 with python is still a good option or did they get bought out too?

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Espressif is still just Espressif. The RP and Nordic semiconductor chips are good too, though RP is also a corporation now.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I assume RP is raspberry pi? That's a single board computer. Arduino is a microprocessor.

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes, the 2040 is a microcontroller.

RP 2040: https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-RP2040-v1-0-p-5026.html

RP 2350: https://www.seeedstudio.com/Seeed-XIAO-RP2350-p-5944.html

Nordic Semi nRF52840, Bluetooth only board: https://www.seeedstudio.com/Seeed-XIAO-BLE-nRF52840-p-5201.html

There are a few others by this manufacturer of different chips, none quite as fast as the ESPs though:

https://wiki.seeedstudio.com/SeeedStudio_XIAO_Series_Introduction/

I'm only linking the Seeed ones because they're high quality. They're also the only ones I've found this size with built in battery chargers.

Hope that helps. Oh and as a bonus, here's someone using the RP2040 and an OLED to turn a lego brick into a Doom machine:

https://youtu.be/TJHSMpYi8bg https://youtu.be/6wBrOV2FJM8

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Nice! Thank you.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder how these terms compare to those of the Raspberry Pi Pico series.

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