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[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 173 points 3 days ago (4 children)

"I think fans debate what their favourite one is, which is understandable," Howard says. "I think it's great that you can have a lot of factions and the fans say, 'Oh, I like one or two or three or four, or Vegas or 76' now, and so I think that's really healthy for a franchise where people can say which one is their favourite."

I'm sure Todd's head canon is that there's more of a debate than there actually is.

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dude, all the Fallout community is is debate.

We're just doing our favorite thing: picking a side and trying to solve a conflict between multiple factions.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's... Wait. That's the whole premise of all the games dammit.

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] TaterTot@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)
[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Bongo bongo bongo I don't wanna leave the Congo

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[–] deacon@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (4 children)

No one is seriously pushing 76 in that discussion.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

ive seen it. they are out there. its wild but its true

[–] deacon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

...

These are not serious people

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

oh theyre serious. 20k hours into the game, level 10,000. absolute madmen

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[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

76 is a fun brainless Fallout multiplayer. I'd rather have a real Fallout MP instead of 76, but I can't lie and had over 100hrs of fun.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

It's absolutely fun with friends, we put in around that many hours and then haven't played it much since, but for the $10 we paid. It was well worth it.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Fallout 3 and NV for story and immersion

Fallout 4 for...er...I mean building mechanic is pretty cool.

Fallout 76 is Wild Wasteland on steroids and even canonicly people outta the vault are begged to stop nuking the everloving shit outta West Virginia xD

So yeah. New Vegas best immersion and roleplay, F 76 best building (for me, it's my own opinion - building here is less sandboxy but feels like it has a lot more meat - more pieces have usage etc.) and both for fun factor, just different flavor.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

A lot of folks really live 76. And it’s the only game in the series that offers them what they like, so why wouldn’t they?

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (10 children)

im not sure what this comment is trying to get at, ive never seen a game franchise more debated than fallout. ive seen every game labelled as someones favorite, including that awful brotherhood of steel game

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just about any game is someone's favorite, but that doesn't mean there's a lot of debate. Fallout 4 and 76 appear to have reached an audience much larger than the rest of the series' usual standards for copies sold, so the sense I get is that if you're calling one of those your favorites, you most likely haven't seen most of the rest of the series. I think 3 and 4 get a lot of criticism that may go too far, but the long and short of it is that the consensus is that Bethesda's entries are not among the strongest in the series.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

that may be your opinion but ive seen people who love fo3 but cant get into new vegas, who love 4 but cant get into 3 or new vegas, who love 76 because its online multiplayer and therefore not as big on the single player entries. theres endless debates about it. you may think its consensus but its not as clear cut as you think

hell theres fallout 1 purists who think that game is the ONLY fallout game

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I've been on gaming forums for a long time, and I honestly can't recall a single time I saw anything resembling an actual debate that people might like 3 more than New Vegas. I have seen debates of 3 vs. 4 and New Vegas vs. 1/2, but I've never come across a debate between people who've played more or less the entire series and preferred Bethesda's games. Maybe that's you, but this would be the first time.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (33 children)

I've absolutely seen people who like 3 more than NV. Hell, I might be among them.

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[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I have seen debates of both 3 and 4 over New Vegas. These arguments tend to come almost exclusively from newer fans. Anyone who played 1 and 2 first, especially back in the day, tends to have a much less favourable view of the Bethesda Fallouts. But there are tons of Bethesda-first fans who came into Fallout after first playing Skyrim, typically. The 4 fans either love the base building or tend to think the other games are "too old looking/feeling". The 3 fans... I don't even know, that game is pretty terrible I think. But they tend to argue the design of the world in 3 is better to explore than New Vegas.

I haven't personally heard anyone argue 76 is the best Fallout, but I'm sure someone is out there.

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[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not saying Metacritic is the end-all be-all, but it does confirm the most commonly held opinion about the popularity of the modern games. You may think that there is a real debate here but that just isn't the case. 4 and 76 are pretty firmly the less well received of these games.

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[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Idk, The Elder Scrolls' fandom debates a lot too. There's still people fighting over whether the Stormcloaks or the Empire were right in Skyrim, or whether Morrowind or Oblivion are the best in the series

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[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Agree but I wish it was more like the newer XCOM games.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

My opinion is that only 2 Fallout games were made: Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.

Fight me.

[–] TaterTot@piefed.social 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fight me.

Okay, sounds fun.

I could argue that there are more Fallout games than just 1 and 2, and that we should probably admit that if Fallout 2 gets to sit at the “true Fallout” table, Fallout: New Vegas should probably get a chair too. A bunch of the original Black Isle developers who worked on Fallout 2 helped make it, and it continues the same regional story and factions. But then again, maybe having the Fallout 2 developers is not enough to make something “truly” Fallout. Maybe it is the isometric (actually skewed trimetric) view, classic CRPG style. Although once we open that can of radroaches, we get a whole new pile of questions.

So maybe we can swing the other direction entirely and say there are fewer “true” Fallout games, and that only Fallout 1 really qualifies. That does have some logic behind it, since the original creators, Tim Cain, Leonard Boyarsky, and Jason Anderson, left during Fallout 2’s development. Their absence changed the whole design philosophy, shifting the tone, with way more pop culture references and absurdist writing, de-focused the tight world design of 1 so we got a ton of fluff dungeons and encounters, and gave us a more scattered writing experience thanks to the team being split up to work on different sections of the game (Tell me San Fran feels even remotely in the same universe as New Reno). Honestly, the jump from 1 to 2 kinda reminds me of the jump from 3 to NV. They feel the same on the surface, but are radically different experiences once you actually play them. But even then, Fallout 2 still uses the same engine and gameplay loop, so you could just as easily argue it stays true to the original formula.

But if that's the case and we double down on the 'gameplay matters more than the writing and development teams' point of view, then Fallout Nevada and Fallout Sonora belong on the list as well right? They are fan-made, sure, but they run on the same engine and play almost exactly like Fallout 1 and 2. So now we are up to four “true Fallout games.” So our definition needs to rules those out to get back to "only 1 and 2".

So maybe the fan-made games do not count because they are not official releases? But if it being an "official release" is the only rule, then Fallout 76 suddenly joins the “true Fallout” club too, which probably tells us that the bar has to be higher than that.

So if we say that a “true” Fallout game needs a mix of all the things above, like the original devs from the original studio working on the original engine with the original tone and the closest connection to the original story, then we come full circle and land right back at "Fallout 1 is the only true Fallout game."

No matter how I slice it, I can't find a definition that only includes Fallout 1 and 2...

You know... thinking about it, I guess the only constant of every single Fallout game since 2 has been that fans of the previous entry look at it and say "this is too radical a departure, this isn't a true Fallout at all!"

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

fallout shelter >

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Look guys! 16x the detail!"

[–] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Oh good its shot at 24 fps, just like on console launch!"

[–] sbbq@lemmy.zip 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Were any of the Obsidian people they brought in the same ones that worked on New Vegas?

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (7 children)

A casual look down the MobyGames lists on New Vegas and Outer Worlds 2 still shows a lot of overlap, so probably. It would be weird to invite people who didn't work on New Vegas to see the realization of a thing they didn't work on.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 3 days ago

Wow and hardly any loading screens.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

despite all the shit I'm still playing my bethesda games...well, only new vegas and elder scrolls but still

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[–] warm@kbin.earth 8 points 3 days ago

I mean the set has missed the mark, from that image in the article. So I'd be pretty disappointed if I was a dev.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Obsidian is one of the better dev houses

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