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[–] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Couldn't be the active war of aggression in Europe and the near-term threat of open conflict, no no no.

Besides, Germany is stagnating not collapsing. And while there are countless internal issues, the main reason is Germany's export focus. Raking in the money the last decades but with the end of open unrestricted trade, that is over for now.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did you notice that the begin of Germany's industrial production descent well predates the pandemic, nevermind the begin of sanctions?

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!TRNG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2af913fe-038c-461b-8a90-0a1a5d091d2d_631x655.png

The decline of production (the time machine has taken us back to 2005) is significantly faster than the rise.

If you assume there will be eventually a recovery, it must be preceded a reversal of the boundary conditions which lead to these developments. Can you please describe what leads you to think that?

[–] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not sure what graph you're looking at but it follows the trendline within deviation until 2020.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Draw in the decline trend line and see when it starts. One of the main reasons is energy price going up due to abandoning long term energy delivery contracts for the spot market. That was a deliberate policy change.

[–] fake_meows@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In your view is the cause from human factors (such as policy, planning, economics) or is it structural (energy resource depletion, dependency on imports, not enough energy supply)?

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Obviously the collapse process is not uniform in space and time, and boundary conditions can accelerate or delay it, in a given compartment.

For instance, the apparent goal of the proxy conflict is to destabilize and weaken Russia, damage relationships of the EU core countries with Russia and China (and Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.), extract resources (weapons purchases, attracting industry and talent, etc.) from EU countries to delay collapse of the US heartland. The current EU leadership is acting as compradors in this game, to the great disadvantage of its constituents.

As such policies which disrupt (self-sanctions, blowing up of gas pipelines and oil processing plants) or redispatch (e.g. US selling to EU liquified Russian gas at a premium) energy and essential material flows make local industries non-competitive to US and Asia, and cause accelerated deindustrialization.

In a game "the last man standing wins" that's an obvious disadvantage. But in the end, all of them will go down, eventually.

[–] cikano@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I feel like the article starts out assuming the EU will collapse and tries to find reasons why... It was an interesting read regardless, it definitely is a big reason they're rearming

[–] LovelyMover@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Stinks of a paid propaganda piece tbh.

[–] not_me@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago

Doom thinker