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Instead of leaving Xitter, they left Mastodon. Proton's trend is not inspiring confidence and this feels like another step backwards.

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[–] sasquash@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago

"limited resources" wtf? just copy and paste the content. I guess they didn't like the backslash on Mastodon because of the CEO and Trump bootlicker Andy Yen

[–] SexDwarf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Honest, stupid question: Why exactly is this such a big deal to so many of you? (I don't use Mastodon.)

[–] noname_yet2077@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago
[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I mean, it makes sense for a company to focus on a platform with a large user base. Social media managers aren't free.

[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I’m a proton user but I’m out of the loop. Please paste link or give me the tl/dr?

[–] azalty@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago

Sad news :-/

At least we have !protonprivacy@lemmy.world but they're not on it I believe

[–] Gorgeous_Sloth@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

This is a genuine question : how Proton stopping using Mastodon for communication make them bad ?

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

every time I hear anything about this shit company, I keep thinking it's valve's linux compatibility thingy and I get real confused about why people are hating on it.

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Ugh, I use proton for VPN and email. Any suggestions for decent VPN at this point?

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't have any complaints with Nord but other people seem to.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Nord has no port forwarding. No deal

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

AirVPN is great, allows port forwarding, 5 devices, and they run very good black Friday specials every year if you decide to buy it after trialling.

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[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Looks like I'm leaving Proton. Fucking hell, not even a year ago I migrated from Gmail

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Learn your lesson and switch to a custom domain :) that way you will never have to change all your services' email addresses anymore, when you want to switch mail provider.

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

That's what I'm leaning towards. Now to think of a domain that's easy enough I can tell my email over the phone of needed

[–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

How costly is a domain? Also how does one set it up, do you need a DNS server?

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Makes me glad that I procrastinated on switching over, I guess I’ll just ride out my current NordVPN subscription and switch over to Mullvad?

Almost makes me afraid to ask the community, what exactly is wrong with Nord? 😅

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Unless you never want to torrent, I would say to not use mullvad, you can't forward a port with them (same with NordVPN). There are plenty of VPNs that don't log and allow port forwarding. I use AirVPN.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’ve not encountered any issues filling up my NAS with torrented Linux ISOs via NordVPN?

My priority for a VPN has just been no logging and the ability to ‘travel’ internationally.. so if there the case, no need to rush out and switch then?

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

https://lemm.ee/post/56692320/18526252

A connection has to be established. That is only possible if one side has an open port.

So you can basically not connect to other people with closed ports, which reduces your available pool of people to connect to.

As long as there are enough people with open ports for you, you and the torrent ecosystem will be fine. But when nobody or very few people have open ports, torrenting simply doesn't work.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Guess I made the right choice to leave Proton.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Looks like Tuta’s getting my business now.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you believe a country that's part of the 14 Eyes, in which the far-right party just won the most votes in the recent election, is going to be a surefire supporter of your email privacy? Also, do you believe that Tuta would refuse a court order by the German government to turn over your data?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just curious, what would you recommend for an email provider, or more importantly a VPN for someone in the US? A few months ago I was thinking of switching from BTGuard to proton VPN. But after a bunch of stories came out about them recently, I am no longer so interested.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's a few different options for VPN.

  1. I would suggest Njalla. They offer a VPN, domain name registration, and VPS services. They're based in Costa Rica, and they have a bit of an infamous reputation for protecting quite a few piracy sites, so you don't have to worry about them caring if you're sailing the High Seas.
  2. Mullvad is another one that's recommended, but they apparently removed the option to port forward after they got heat for supporting piracy, from what I've heard from users. I don't know if that's true, so you would have to ask around.
  3. There's also cryptostorm, if you're REALLY paranoid. They offer a token based authentication system that doesn't use accounts, so they don't keep any information on their users. Instead, the token starts a timer as soon as you first use it. You can purchase tokens using cryptocurrency, so if you're into that, you could make it so they have no idea who you are, and there's no information they could provide to the authorities.
  4. Host your own. You can set up a VPN service pretty easily by renting a VPS and just installing the needed software. This has the added bonus of you probably not needing to worry about websites blocking you for being on a VPN. You could also very easily do something like set up fedi software such as Lemmy or Mastodon, or use it to host a blog or whatever.

I would not recommend Proton if you're going to be pirating. Proton uses a random port for forwarding each time you connect, to make it harder for people to pirate. I use it, but my download clients are Docker containers that use a script that automatically sets them to the right port each time Proton connects, so there's no issue. Otherwise, I would have to manually set the correct port every time I used the client. Proton is hosted in Switzerland, which is outside the US jurisdiction, so despite the recent uproar over them, they are the safest choice since it's illegal for them to provide private information to other governments, such as the US.

As for mail service, it's not difficult to find good ones, since mail is pretty simple, but keep in mind that there is no mail service that's going to refuse a court order for your data from their own government, so if you're planning on doing something illegal, or if you're going to be engaging in activism, then you need to find a provider that's outside the jurisdiction of your country or it's allies. For someone in the US, that might mean going to Switzerland or Russia for a provider. Any mail service will do fine, as you can easily encrypt your mail using PGP. There are some that would say that's not secure enough, and while they have a point that it's not the most secure, it's good enough for the vast majority of users. Most people aren't talking about anything that a government or hacker is going to want bad enough they spend the time decrypting your emails. And if they did want it that bad, it would be easier for a government to just raid your house and poke through your computer as they please.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

njalla will hold your domain hostage if you used them to register it and if they decide they don't like you as a customer. I do not recommend using them at all, but if you do definitely have a backup plan in case they kill your domain and refuse to give it back to you.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, they lock you in. If they decide the AfD is their best friend, you can't get the emails out of their system because they don't have an email export function...

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Come on, do you really think going to a mail provider located in a country with an intelligence agreement with the US, and with a prominent far-right political party that got the most votes in the recent election could possibly be a bad idea?

[–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I understand. Why use resources on a platform that is so badly designed for new users that isn't used but to post manga and linux memes from tech nerds? If this is your reason to drop Proton then you're priorities seem a bit off imho.

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[–] zarlin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least they are still on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/proton.me

But a true fediverse presence would be better

[–] sonalder@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bluesky is not much better than X despite it claiming to

[–] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's... better in the sense that you don't have right wing weirdos all over the place. But technically? Organizationally? Feels like we're on track to replay the same exact shit over again. It feels like people just aren't learning the lessons they should from the Twitter takeover.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bluesky can be taken over by a billionaire. The fediverse cannot. Bluesky is just another Musk waiting to happen.

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why do you keep adding that license to all your posts? You're like those boomers on Facebook that fell for that "Facebook doesn't own my photos cause I say so" meme.

No AI is gonna pay attention to whatever this is.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev -1 points 2 months ago

Thank you for the original comment. Never read that opinion before. It must be difficult living with your intellect among us dumb mortals.

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[–] stm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I really dislike these commercial "private" solutions to surveilance issues we have but people always seem to prefer them because of strong marketing around.

[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I mean, I don't have access to a personal international VPN array. For that kind of service, you pretty much have to get a commercial product.

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's as if with each passing day, Proton wakes up and chooses to wear a slightly different red flag for a cape than the one they wore yesterday. I'm obviously being hyperbolic here, but I'm also a bit upset with myself for having decided to get an annual subscription with them last November.

I've heard good things about Mullvad for VPN and Tuta for mail. I've got my own domain that I can start using with whatever mail host I land on.

I'm in the U.S. What other mail providers are people using, and what other VPN providers should I be considering?

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you ever want to torrent, some service that allows port forwarding, like AirVPN or PureVPN. A popular alternative of mullvad does not allow this.

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You keep posting this and I haven't been using port forwarding at all but torrents keep coming through. What am I missing here? Serious question, because I do not know what I'm either doing wrong or missing out on with port forwarding and I have not been experiencing what I would call a degraded experience as far as I can tell, but there's a whole world of things that I'm entirely ignorant to.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A connection has to be established. That is only possible if one side has an open port.

So you can basically not connect to other people with closed ports, which reduces your available pool of people to connect to.

As long as there are enough people with open ports for you, you and the torrent ecosystem will be fine. But when nobody or very few people have open ports, torrenting simply doesn't work.

[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish VPS providers didn't commonly block email ports. Self hosting seems like the only way to stay in control

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It's understandable though, they just don't want to deal with email spammers.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago

Funny how they didn’t make actual post on Mastodon, but just silently edited their profile to say they left Mastodon? That’s pretty cowardly.

Yet another reason to not like Proton.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 months ago

Yeah fuck proton

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