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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While we are at it, let's all (as in the entire planet) switch to 24hour UTC and the YYYY.MM.DD date format.

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] dan@upvote.au 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some ISO8601 formats are good, but some are unreadable (like 20240607T054831Z for date and time).

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The ones without separators tend to be for server/client exchange though.

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 10 months ago

I agree but they're hard to read at a glance when debugging and there's lots of them :)

Having said that, a lot of client-server communications use Unix timestamps though, which are even harder to read at a glance.

[–] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Look I get it, but also, I like fahrenheit and miles. They are more intuitive and closer to the 'feeling'. 100 degrees is really hot. 100 mph is really fast. Maybe that's my own bias from growing up with it though

[–] Hubi@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think it's mostly just a familiarity thing. To me 0°C is cold af, 10°C is chilly, 20°C is nice and 30°C is hot. 100 km/h is fast but not really fast, though I'm probably biased in this regard from regularly driving on the Autobahn lol

[–] businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

exactly! whenever anyone says imperial units are "more intuitive" and better reflect "how it feels to humans", i can only think: obviously, you grew up with it. that's what you know.

no matter what measurement system you were raised on, it will feel intuitive to you and reflect how you as a human experience the world because you are used to measuring things in those units. having said that, i'd much rather we used metric if for nothing else than the ease of unit conversion.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

When it comes to Fahrenheit, there is some merit to the idea - 0 to 30 is a small scale compared to 0 to 100, and unlike Imperial vs. Metric, Celcius has no base 10 system that makes any more sense than Fahrenheit does. . The opposite is true of kilometers and miles - kilometers is more refined since each unit is a shorter distance.

I'd prefer the Metric system, but Farenheit over Celcius for temperature measurement.

[–] pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The fixed points (for 0 and 100) are much more logical though and can be used to accurately recreate the scale anywhere (well.. it'll be slightly off on higher altitude since boiling temperature changes but it's still not far off).

0°C = water freezes (= it's snowing)

100°C = water boils

meanwhile:

0°F = the coldest night Mr Fahrenheit experienced, thinking it couldn't get any colder than that

100°F = Mr Fahrenheit's own body temperature (he had a slight fever apparently)

How would you recreate that??

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 10 months ago

I am not water.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, and the benefits of switching does not out weigh the costs, like redoing all the signage and re-educating everyone and inevitable higher accident rate.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Metric yes please. Also for fucks sake use the 24 hour clock. Some of us learned it from the military but it’s just earth time and way easier than adding letters to a number

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

the 24 hour clock

I switched to it in my later teens when I realised how many cases it would be better in.
Conversion during conversation might be an extra step, but I'll be pushing for the next generation to have this by default.

Also, much better when using for file names.

Also, YYYY-MM-DD. There's a reason why it is the ISO

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[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The conversion is pretty much the only hurdle I ever hear about, but that’s easy enough. How many songs/films talk about “if I could rewind the last 12+12 hours”…it’s just a matter of making it fit in context people can understand when they know a day is 24 but are used to 12.

ISO and while we’re at it, the NATO phonetic alphabet for English speakers. “A as in apple B as in boy” means fuck all when you’re grasping for any word that starts with that letter, and if English isn’t your first language fuckin forget about it.

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

ISO and while we’re at it, the NATO phonetic alphabet for English speakers. “A as in apple B as in boy” means fuck all when you’re grasping for any word that starts with that letter, and if English isn’t your first language fuckin forget about it.

err... didn't get what you're trying to say

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We standardized an alphabet among all countries for clear communication.

Here is an example of it going wrong.

[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that's an example of why you should use the chosen ones instead of going "mancy/nancy" all over the place.

Also, didn't they just make a standard for themselves and other just took it because it was probably easier than making one for their own language (oh right, NATO... but let's be honest here, NATO is just a forum for America to flaunt its power while PR-ing peaceful, so it makes sense they use English, which is also easier to be a second language than most other ones).
Though I feel like China might have made their own.

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