Objection

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

How is this legal?

Having a spot in the white house press pool is legally a privilege, not a right. The AP can still operate and write whatever they like, they're just not invited to exclusive press briefings.

This is a long-standing conflict of interest that incentivizes the press to field softball questions and avoid writing critical stories in hopes of getting priority treatment from the government, but typically it works in a more subtle way.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 12 points 12 hours ago

This is some seriously weak shit. The only connection is that the poster "teases" that he's Elon Musk. Speaking as Beyoncè, even if he outright said "I am Elon Musk" it still wouldn't be strong evidence, but he didn't even say that, he just posted a bunch of random gibberish that some people read as metaphorically suggesting a connection.

This is QAnon conspiracy nonsense, and repeating it on the pretext of "I'm not saying this, I'm just talking about what other people are saying" is still spreading it.

I mean, sure, maybe this account was Elon Musk in the same way Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer, but like, it's not actually.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Yeah good luck walking around telling the average American that isn’t already a leftist “yeah come join me, I’m a socialist communist!”

Do you… not see what the right would… do with that?

Whereas if I just say, "Yeah come join me, I'm a socialist" the right will just call me a communist anyway. I'd rather own it and wear it with pride than allow it to be used as a boogeyman. The way I see it, reclaiming the term means I have a better chance to define it, if the right says, "Communists believe this," I can say, "I'm a communist and none of us believe that shit, this is what we're actually about." Whereas if I let it be a boogeyman then I'm stuck giving them ground and punching left, "I'm a leftist, but I'm not like those dirty commies." They're still gonna hate my fucking guts for being a leftist and in the process I've alienated potential allies and given in to their rhetoric.

It's no different from reclaiming other insults, except it wasn't originally an insult and we shouldn't allow it to be.

Not only are you butchering the reality and history of these terms

Please define them and explain how they're different, because again, I genuinely don't know how you're using them. The way they're commonly used varies tremendously and generally leaves a lot of ambiguity, I'm guessing the difference is that communism has a harsher vibe or something.

Socialism as a system is a transitionary state that aims to establish communism, that is, a classless, moneyless, stateless society. A socialist is someone who aims to establish communism through such a transitionary state. I guess you could distinguish socialists from anarcho-communists, who seek to go straight to communism without a transitionary period. There is also a distinction between Marxists and Social Democrats, but Social Democrats, at least originally (Karl Kautsky, Eduard Bernstein, etc), still claimed that their end goal was communism, and that they could achieve that through reforming existing systems. And on the other side of that, the USSR was called the USSR and not the USCR, because it did not claim to have achieved communism but rather to be a transitionary state towards that eventual goal.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You ignored the question… and continued to make attacks that have no actual end result/point to the convo you claim to be trying to have.

What question did I ignore, exactly? And what convo do I "claim to be trying to have?"

Again. Re read #3 because I’ve already said it multiple times. Do you have any actual other point than that besides “dems & Cheney bad?” That’s what I’ve been trying to get to.

I mean, if you want to get into a more general discussion of why the democrats lost, we can do that - the main reason being that they were associated with a declining status quo. I talked about the Cheney's because that was the specific topic being discussed.

I don't really get why you seem to be taking my points so personally.

I mean… you have to go beyond socialism into communism to not think that some form of capitalism should exist. And I’m not saying I’m not on board with SOME of that, but you’re kind of driving my point home that you’re just… saying shit.

I’m a basically a fuckin’ socialist you turd.

I don't understand how you're using any of these terms. To me, "communist" and "socialist" are pretty much interchangable in the same way that "liberalism" and "capitalism" are.

this whole time when I’ve addressed the Cheney point MULTIPLE times, which was your only real complaint until you kept attacking random shit.

See, I don't have any understanding of why you think my criticism of the Cheney's or the Democratic Party was an attack on you that you had to defend against.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The influence of “bots” is highly overstated and is basically just a way of dismissing legitimate criticism

Ah, bootlicker/propaganda bot it is.

Well, that didn't take long 🙄

Every statement you’ve made has been in bad faith, purely attempting to derail the argument and make readers glaze their eyes over.

I love when people just say shit. Like, you haven't pointed to any actual reason why anything I've said is "bad faith" or "emotional." Really just rolling out all the go-to methods of categorically dismissing any and all criticism, huh?

Fox News is watched by 60% of the country

Lmao no it isn't. You got a source for that number?

No, the NEOliberal status quo. We have never been a leftist nation. Our Overton window is very far to the right. Bernie is like a single step to the left of the center. Check out any other major democracy.

Yeah, no shit? Why are you telling me this as if I don't already know?

Attacking "liberal"ism is straight kremlin propaganda.

Lmao. A liberal is a supporter of capitalism, as a socialist, of course I'm opposed to liberalism. I guess every socialist in the world is a "Kremlin propagandist" in your view.

Why do you think the right-wing, free market "Liberal Democrats" of the UK are called that?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Did you not read that I opened with I hate Cheney?

I never claimed otherwise? Very confusing reaction.

If you stopped responding emotionally

Excuse me? In what way was my response "emotional?"

or with the intent to derail and attack

By now the inaccuracy of your attacks

What "attacks" are you talking about? All I did was disagree with you on certain points.

Propaganda has influenced EVERY democracy.

They've got propaganda, we've got propaganda, everybody's got propaganda, and always has. The Democratic party has plenty of money to get their message out, the problem is their message sucked and didn't resonate.

MAGA/US, Brexit/UK, Marine La Pen/France, Bolsonaro/Brazil, AfD/Germany, Polliviere/Canada… the list goes on.

All of those were driven by material conditions, yes propaganda had an effect but the reason the propaganda resonates and has influence is because of people being dissatisfied with the liberal status quo.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The more you tighten your grip, the more ~~star systems~~ countries will slip through your fingers. Every year, more and more middle income countries that were unaligned are buddying up with China and the ones that were buddying up with the US are playing the field. China is keenly attentive to this global battle over hearts and minds while Americans are too preoccupied to even notice, and don't care when they do.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

gaza will be torn apart and sold to the highest bidders

Sorry, now that's going to happen? What the hell did you think was happening before?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I think you should welcome (almost) anyone against an enemy like Trump.

I would much rather have the people who hate the Cheney's guts in my coalition than have the Cheney's. How many people do they even represent? Who doesn't hate them, and with good reason?

But not voting for Kamala because the coalition allowed Liz Cheney in is probably just as dumb

First off they didn't just "allow" Liz Cheney, they actively campaigned with her. But secondly and more importantly, it's not about whether it was right or wrong for that to influence people's decisions, it's about the fact that it likely did. Call it "dumb" or "irrational" all you want, if voters were all rational and intelligent then maybe we wouldn't have to think or care about messaging or image at all, but that's not the world we live in.

The influence of "bots" is highly overstated and is basically just a way of dismissing legitimate criticism and preventing any kind of self-reflection or learning from mistakes.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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Try adding a decimal after the 3

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

3141 5926 5358 9793; 2/38; 462

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

See, this is why I hate America.

 
 

https://lemmy.ml/post/28111691/17749466

This is actually insane. Another user was criticizing the New Deal era and brought up a bunch of points, I commented refuting a bunch of their points but describing two of of them, Japanese Internment and the Red Scare, simply as "legitimate criticism."

@Decoy321@lemmy.world responded "No they’re not. Those two things were caused by far greater international factors. Like, you know, the 2nd World War."

I cited a commission that found that internment was not caused by a legitimate threat posed by the Japanese but was rather caused by racism and hysteria, and that even Reagan agreed with that conclusion and signed a bill paying reparations to the victims.

Well then the mod responded that I was jumping to "inflammatory conclusions" and "personal attacks" because I assumed that when they said that criticism of internment is not legitimate it meant that they were defending internment. They continued to refuse to explain how else I was possibly supposed to interpret such a claim. I still have no idea. Apparently their stance is, "It's not legitimate to criticize the thing I oppose." If anyone can make sense of that, please enlighten me.

Since they refused to explain, I took a guess that maybe the misunderstanding was that they were interpreting "legitimate criticism" as "damning criticism," like that because a bad thing happened during that era, nothing good came of it at all. I made it clear that this was speculation and that any criticism of interpreting it that way only applied if that's what was happening.

The mod responded by permabanning me, removing all of my comments so they don't show in the modlog, and adding this:

Edit: the other commenter essentially proved that they were just baiting people into inflammatory discussion. They kept resorting to personal attacks and flip-flopped on their position solely to continue arguing. This behavior is not tolerated here. Please report such trolls in the future.

At literally no point did I "flip-flop" my position of "internment was bad, actually." Nor did I "bait" them, unless "criticizing internment is legitimate," is somehow "baiting" someone into saying "no it isn't." By far the most "inflammatory" thing that was said was when they said that criticism of internment was "not legitimate." The "personal attacks" I made were stating the fact that the position they had expressed was to the right of Reagan on the issue, and also making a quip about a .world mod defending the Red scare and Joseph McCarthy.

This seems to be a case of a clear case of PTB, the mod apparently misspoke but because they're a mod they can just ban people for calling them out instead of owning up to it.

Edit: My comments are still visible on kbin.earth (thank you @Skua@kbin.earth) so I can provide screenshots:

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context

transcript

DISRUPT INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING NOW!!

OGEY

Niche ocean carrier Atlantic Container Line is warning the fines the U.S. government is considering hitting Chinese-built freight vessels with would force it to leave the United States and throw the global supply chain out of balance, potentially fueling freight rates not seen since Covid.

“This hits American exporters and importers worse than anybody else,” said Andrew Abbott, CEO of ACL. “If this happens, we’re out of business and we’re going to have to shut down.”

[...] U.S. is no position to win an economic war that places ocean carriers using Chinese-made vessels in the middle. Soon, Chinese-made vessels will represents 98% of the trade ships on the world’s oceans.

Hey, Abdul-Malik Badr Al-Din Al-Houthi, how'd I do?

Thank you Mr. President, that's exactly what I meant. But why-

Another day, another banger

 

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