Don't know if this is the right place to post this
borschtisgarbo
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No, they would not. That is something a more socially oriented government would do, capitalists have no interest in employing everyone and anyone. It goes against their interests
Glass half full or half empty is the question here. Hexbear is usually really nice and I didn't expect my post to be received the way it was. I understand the original post was bad, but I wish is would've been given a bit of a chance. I understand the mods choice, but I feel it was done out of misunderstanding. I didn't portray my views properly at all leading to people to think I was saying things I really didn't mean to. I improved on it here and could've done better still as I find myself in the replies here. Don't wanna drag you into a long argument, don't feel obliged to respond
I'm sorry for bothering you and others on Hexbear and lg. I hoped I would be able to have a conversation with the people there, I very much should've not posted that, it betrayed my views in the sense that it sucked at getting any of them across and created a lot of misunderstanding. No one got what I said, I tried to improve upon it here. I just wanted to defend myself and be able to get to an understanding, I am sorry if I failed on that. I see you're being rather hostile and I just want you to know sorry I am asshole to you here. You do not need to respond anymore. I wouldn't be keen on arguing with you all if I would've been turned into a punching bag for a day, then moved on.
I'm sorry I was not able to properly explain it to you, I'll try to portray it better to you. I did not make it clear in my post on Hexbear and on here, so here is my more "developed" analysis:
I do not think anti-Semitism is present within the state. There is no analogue to the oppression of Black and Arab people's around the world to be found here. Anti-Semitism exists within the individual, it does not in any meaningful way translate to state policy. Elon Musk is probably an anti-Semite, but his views haven't been expressed through the use of state repression of Jewish communities. I drew an analogue to anti-white racism here, as in, like in this instance. You can say derogatory things about white men, whiteness, but extrapolating that to mean there is institutionalised repression of white people is false.
My main argument here, that I failed to properly portray in the post on Hexbear and which I probably could've expanded on further here, is that anti-Semitism does not take the form of state repression. Anti-Semitism exists in the same sense that anti-white racism exists. There may be some who genuinely don't like white people, though that does not translate in any meaningful way into the machinations of the state. There is no institutionalised anti-white sentiment, same applies to Jewish people. This is not me saying anti-Semitism doesn't exist, it does. People do call Jews bad things, slurs, or otherwise. But racism, more generally, is not individual incidents of hate crimes, it is the wielding of state power to repress one group or another, a group which is made to be racially inferior.
I wouldn't want it to be a sticking point myself. I am trying to, in some vain hope of being unbanned, explain myself properly. I would've liked if I was just made a punching bag in the posts comments, then moved on, but I was banned and now I feel the need to defend myself.
Get over yourself
I have not said anything hostile about anyone here, not you, not anyone.To belittle me instead of responding in a meaningful way, handwaving at some abstract anti-Semitic aura you sensed, is not gonna make me understand what I did wrong, why I deserved a ban.
I've explained it already, but @askchapo is specifically made to discuss things. Not to mention the entire idea of an internet forum, generally, is to discuss things! So it is not ridiculous to expect to be allowed to discuss things, instead of just being banned with less than a sentence of reasoning.
It's called @askchapo. If discussion is not something that is wished there, they should rename it to something else. Someone might reasonably misunderstand, ask the wrong question, then get banned and not learn anything.
Jewish people are not oppressed, that is a fact. Xenophobia exists, yes. Institutionalised anti-Semitism does not exist. If your view of oppression is insults that do not translate into state repression, then white people are also oppressed.
Also, as much as I don't want to indulge in your attempt to make this some interpersonal drama, I feel like I need to defend myself here. The post you referenced as evidence for me not doing real life activism was literally me asking for help in finding outlets for activism. There are no real organisations here, besides the one pro-Pal org. I've been to one of their meetings, though they mostly do film screenings and such, not protests or anything like that. They occasionally do, just I haven't know of them for that long to have gone to them earlier. I do not have the capacity to start a communist party all on my own, that was the whole point of the post. I was looking for answers on how to get to the point at which I could do that, or participate in something like that. I was looking for ways to build contacts and such You clearly extrapolated a lot without really reading through the post(s).
Sorry, but searching through a person's posts to smear them isn't a nice thing to do. What you pointed out was completely irrelevant to the topic of the post. I am not entitled to people's time, but a forum specifically advertised as a place to discuss things should allow you to talk about things without being banned. What is the point of an @askchapo forum if you can't ask things?
It sucks in without the context I provided here. It was, as I said here, made in the context of liberal Zionist, regular Zionist and "pro-Palestinian" people unnecessarily centering anti-Semitism when it is, realistically, fringe
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I got banned from Hexbear (in my opinion!) unreasonably, cannot appeal the ban or anything because my account is based in Lemmygrad
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I realise now that the main problem here was my post on Hexbear, It was shitty and failed to get across my actual views. I still wish I could've been allowed to properly discuss it, but I understand the decision to ban me. Looking at my original post, I can very much get why that is ban worthy, even though that wouldn't be my decision. What happened happened, as much as I'd like to further expand upon my views, I'll try not to waste your time by trying to explain my views that I fully do not understand, that I've developed throughout the process of arguing with people in the comments. I feel silly for making this such a big deal, sorry. You could look through my replies here to see a further expounded on version of this post here. It really boils down to misunderstanding and semantics, I agree with most of the substance of the comments on this post on their face, it is just that often argued in favour of things I didn't mean to. My view of anti-Semitism boils down to, yes it is present, but it is not systemic. As I already mentioned, you can look through the replies if you want to see more of that
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I recently made a post that, according to the moderator which banned me, "conflated Judaism with Zionism". The post did not in any way conflate Judaism with Zionism, it was me being tired of people trying to center anti-Semitism and over inflate the presence it has in society.
It had an inflammatory title, "I don't give a shit about anti-Semitism", which I can get why people would find problematic. But the text if the post was not in any way conflating Zionism with Judaism. I explained the reasons for the rise in anti-Semitism, the genocide the Israeli state is carrying out, and why I am tired of people acting like it is of most importance.
Jewish people are not systemically oppressed, they've been integrated into Western society, into whiteness. What has happened to Jewish people and their assimilation is similar to the experience of Italians and the Irish (in America). There will be no Holocaust 2.0, Jewish people in NYC are not at threat of being lynched. The victim mentality and the centering of the Jewish experience only plays into Jewish supremacism, Zionism. Jews are not special, it shouldn't be controversial to say that.
I'll repeat the analogy I made in the original post: Imagine if your main concern was the safety of German minorities after they did the Holocaust. It's completely ridiculous and shouldn't be taken seriously.
I suspect the main reason for the "conflating Zionism with Judaism" part is me saying most Jewish people support Israel, which Is a fact. I pointed this out as a reason for the (over-exaggerated) rise in anti-Semitism. I did not even once state anything in opposition to Judaism and Jewishness in in of itself, only gave reasons to the generalisations. I can forgive someone taking this as somehow conflating the two in the context of, I repeat, the inflammatory title, but what I said wasn't in any way remotely that.
To quote Prof. Finkelstein, on when he asked his mother if she had ever met a decent German:
I remembered one German soldier, he had a kind of a guilty look on his face.
That was all she could remember—one. So it doesn't surprise me that she loathed all Germans.
This is what I was getting at. A common response to seeing a genocide committed by Jews is, albeit irrationally, to loathe all Jews. Just like, for a time, people hated all Germans. To center the hate towards Germans in the post war years would be seen as ridiculous, rightfully so. Even more ridiculous is to imply this will somehow transfer into violent lynchings.
People like us should know that Zionism and Nazism are not contradictory ideologies, they can coexist and work together (and have historically). So why (I am referencing the replies to my post, not the moderator who banned me) is it that people think Elon throwing a sieg heil is a sign of an imminent Holocaust in the USA? The main donor of Trump is a Jewish Zionist. I repeat, Jews are not at threat. It is ridiculous and, as I already said, plays into Jewish supremacy.
In the brief period where the post was up, I did not receive any real counter arguments, only people flinging insults who clearly either did not understand the text I wrote or didn't even read through it. I was then of course banned. I expected the forum named @askchapo to be open to discussion. I am sure if I had an actual conversation on the topic with the moderator who banned me, I'd either be able to convince them of the content of the post, or have my own mind changed.
Bans shouldn't just be thrown around like that, especially considering the content of my post. The text giving reason to the ban was a single sentence, it did not touch on the content of the post. Just "conflating Judaism with Zionism", that's it. No specific line of text was noted.
At last I'd like to add that the post was primarily in response to liberal Zionists like Owen Jones and other such figures, not to fellow leftists. Figures who disingenuously over inflate the importance of anti-Semitism, its presence and general effect.
I fully agree that anti-Semitism usually leads right back into far-right ideologies that are in staunch opposition to us, but that is not what I was trying to argue against in the post.
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I thought I did apologize though. I said that I still would've preferred if I wasn't banned, but I understood why a ban had been levied against me. I guess I didn't get that across well enough then