mojo_raisin

Ya, basically game theory based survival strategy colored by culture and emotion. IMO, morality almost always comes either dictated by in-group superiors (religion, cults, legalism, etc) or via game theory (atheists, agnostics, non-religious, etc).

I didn't know "lemmy shitpost" was literal.

I suppose you're right, for people that believe in "justice" administered by state. As an anarchist, I view states as fictional entities, like fiat currency, they're not real (tho can have real effects), and are therefore not entitled to kill or imprison anyone for any reason, let alone to maintain order as they see it.

Also, wanting to kill and feeling the need to kill, such as in self-defense are different too.

If you got one, I'd like to hear it.

That's the name of their gun lol.

So, if Jeffrey Epstein was alive, the person that wants to kill him because he raped their daughter is sick and should be kept away from society?

Killing innocent people, and killing for self-defense are different.

I think the person who thinks Jeffrey Epstein would deserve to live is sick.

This is a clever response, but it avoids answering the question.

In-groups and out-groups, that's how it's "so hard".

We all have empathy and sympathy for our in-group. When it comes to basic respect, many of us have large in-groups that include the less fortunate, animals, etc, other's have a small in-group with themselves and their family, or their race, or their class. For the worst people, the in-group is themselves and maybe their children who can carry their legacy.

Sorry for the late reply, I've been away from Lemmy.

Animals killing other animals for food is what complex life if based on. This is a necessary part of complex life. Rape is not. This is a key difference. Should species that eat other living things let themselves go extinct so as to not violate consent? Should they sacrifice their health eating species inappropriate foods in an attempt to minimize violations of consent? Even if you think this, it won't happen, living things are the result of successful past generations, and a species that sacrifices itself to be nice to it's prey would not evolve.

Thinking of participation in the food chain as a "crime" is silly on many levels. I was a vegetarian in my youth and thought many of the same silly things as you until I thought about things more deeply and realistically.

Killing an animal for food is nothing like rape. Rape is unnecessary and not required for sustenance or reproduction, it's not something our species evolved to do (the fact that something can be done doesn't mean we evolved to do it, ducks on the other hand...). Are you equivocating most of the world's population for all of history with rapists? Is your mom and dad a rapist then? Are lions rapists, just not smart enough to know they're raping gazelles and zebras?

If you think animals killing and eating other animals is rape, then I hope you're a blade of grass because even vegans would be unintentionally raping animals in pursuit of sustenance. Don't kid yourself that a vegan diet is free of suffering, you just care less about those species apparently.

So far every response to be has been straw man args.

Nobody is talking about boiling cats alive, I'm not arguing for the morality of that.

alba people would totally win the evolutionary race and no game theory would bring justice. Doesn’t sound great if your hair happens to be brown or red.

I'm not saying game theory can be used to justify anything, I'm saying it's the basis for morality, it's how morality came to be in our species IMHO. I think agents (things with agency, which are subject to game theory) develop strategies, and morality is based on these strategies. Harming other beings unnecessarily often puts one at risk, therefore harming other beings without need is often bad strategy. I'm not saying that anything that can create benefit is morally OK, this is a straw man, know what that is?

You're speaking as if there's a global, cosmic morality in which harming others is wrong, this is a religious belief, I'm not talking about religion. There are many moralities with different foundations, I explained the basis for mine.

You're a crazy one, nobody is talking about raping animals.

Life eats life.