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[–] yagurlreese@lemmy.world 180 points 3 days ago (2 children)

wow so sad, it's almost like they started multiple wars or something

[–] SupaTuba@lemm.ee 49 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.

[–] martin4598@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just a reminder: 82% of all the Israeli Jews support ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

Just saying.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It feels like there's reason to inflate those numbers both for Israel and Palestine. Do we know they're credible? Genuinely asking, I'm not sure from my cursory searx.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

every citizen in Palestine and Iran too right?

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago
[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you're a settler you're a valid target no matter what!

[–] lenz@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.

Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Israelis aren't walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.

Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn't be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.

Hope you're acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hope you're acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.

It doesn't matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You're still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.

And the objective of any just war is to expel you.

Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.

Get on a plane and go home. No one's stopping you. That's your opportunity.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 21 hours ago

How are you engaging in genocide if you do not take part in the war? And especially if you denounce the actions of your government? Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?

I swear this "settler" discourse is gonna drive me crazy at some point.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.

Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.

I believe it's the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.

Zionists are the one and only antisemites.

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[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 days ago

Hopefully they take the opportunity for a fresh start and move out of the settler occupation of Palestine.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

I don't. I only feel terrible for the ones who were opposed to these attacks on other countries. Most of them (if the statistics I've seen are to be believed) support the actions, so they deserve the consequences. Maybe these people dying horrifically will finally make others consider the value of lives.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (14 children)

If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

The rest would do the same.
As they always have proven their entire miserable history.
Singling out Netanyahoo is Bernie the sheepdog's tactics of dammage control

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Shouldn't be a citizen on stolen land.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Manifest destiny said the US land is all ours. Also Hawaii. Divine right mandated by God, so..

/s

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
The most navel staring country on the planet

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The reason the US supports Israel is exactly because Israel is a settler-colony. They're part of the same genocidal settler project, Zionism is Manifest Destiny.

If landback wins in Israel the ones paying attention know that it's coming for them too.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It's also a geographically beneficial located proxy.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But they didn't have to make a colony of European settlers to do that, did they? Egypt is a loyal collaborator with the US and it fulfills the same geostrategic goals, but the amount of support Egypt gets pales in comparison to Israel. Why is that?

We can't dismiss the ideological importance of Israel. The unlimited support of the 51st state is exactly because it is a settler-colony.

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[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago
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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What kind of citizen? Palestinian? Iranian?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 3 days ago

What they can't do some wars and genocide now???