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If you've got kids. Make plans to get them out of the states. (lemmy.world)

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Pick a border. Whichever you're closest to. North or South. Look into making a plan. Crossing the border illegally is an option. Probably a better option if a draft is called. A charge and claiming asylum is preferable to being caught on the wrong side of a checkpoint. Fleeing war is a valid asylum claim pretty much anywhere on the planet.

Military recruitment has been all time low year over year for a decade or more. And Iran isn't Iraq. That is a modern professional military armed and trained just as well as our guys. This won't be a professional military vs an insurgency armed with homemade bombs and soviet era relics. If you want a peek at the attrition rates this war will have go look at the numbers coming out of the Ukraine war. On both sides.

Back when Bush's War on Peace kicked off my dad made plans to get me out. He looked up an old war buddy he was in Vietnam with who lived in Canada. They planned to smuggle me across the woodlands. Not through an official crossing. Thankfully that plan never needed to be used. But he was serious. And I remember how serious he was.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

During WWII there was a somewhat justified reason and one can argue that the nukes, in the end, caused less death and destruction than

At this point, it's important to remember that the two bombs were dropped after the US had learned Japan intended to surrender.

With that data point in mind, recalculate for war crimes.

[–] besmtt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mind sharing a source I could read?

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

You can read Soviet Union negotiation attempt and Potsdam.

Basically Japan was ready to surrender months before the war, disarm, and pay reparations. The Japanese wanted to surrender everything but keep their government and Emperor. The allies knew this right away through interception of communication to the Soviets. But that "wasn't good enough" somehow.

So the Americans nuked them twice, then proceeded to bomb the shit out of the Japanese. The Americans were less than a day away from nuking Tokyo over the concept of "unconditional surrender", which again, the main difference between the Allies and the Japanese was that the Japanese wanted to maintain their government.

Anyways eventually they accept "unconditional surrender" and the fucking Americans let them keep the damn government anyways. Like it's absolutely baffling how insane this was. The only thing like it is the ro-sham-bo scene in South Park.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan

However, unlike in Germany, the Allies never assumed direct control over Japan's civil administration. In the immediate aftermath of Japan's military surrender, the country's government continued to formally operate under the provisions of the Meiji Constitution.

Now there is an argument that the group of people working on surrender within the Japanese government may not have succeeded. Maybe, without the atomic bomb, a coup would have happened and the side willing to surrender would have lost. It's hard to think of what would have been. It is still historically very clear that we all prioritised warfare over diplomacy and it has likely caused hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.

Not that anyone has learned from that considering Trump is yammering about "unconditional surrender" all over again.