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Oh yeah? Which statements are those? Because I know of one statement Putin made on Snowden, and it does not line up with what I've said. So please show me these statements that totally exist and weren't pulled out of your ass.
Basically nothing you said is correct. No one, even the most deranged right-wing war hawk, believes Chelsea Manning was a spy or working for Russia. Being charged with espionage does not mean you are a spy. That's not true from a literal or legal perspective.
At this point, you've gone past swallowing Fox News propaganda and begun fabricating your own. Get a grip dude.
You’re obviously trying to make a strawman argument about Chelsea Manning working for Russia because I never mentioned it as a possibility.
Or maybe your reading comprehension is just really bad because this is the definition of espionage:
You’ve proven you are willing to either lie or speak with confidence about things you don’t even know the definition of.
Here is a quote from Obama:
He points out that Russia is not treating Snowden the same as they do with anyone else. Which is what I’ve said also. This is called common sense not conspiracy, but you probably don’t know the definition of either.
I like how you quoted around the part that didn't support your argument.
Anyway, I think I'm done here. I was paying attention in 2013, so I actually followed the reporting on the Snowden leaks. You clearly didn't, but staked the position, "Putin = bad, therefore Snowden = Bad," without knowing what the fuck you're talking about, and now you're talking out your ass to try and back that position.
You desperately want to prove that Snowden is a spy because he was charged under the Espionage Act, but had you been paying attention during the Obama administration, you'd know he was the first President to bring espionage charges against leakers and whistleblowers instead of spies; he actually used it more than every other president combined. But you're blissfully unaware of this, just like you're unaware of the differences between Hong Kong and mainland China, or that Snowden didn't intend to stay in Russia, or that Chelsea Manning was never suspected of being a spy.
I mean, Jesus Chirst, you're quoting Obama talking about Snowden traveling without proper documentation without acknowledging that Obama canceled the documentation so he would be forced to stay in Russia. And you think that's proof that he's being treated differently than a normal American? Normal Americans don't get their passports canceled mid-flight.
Also, do you know how long it took Snowden to leave the airport? Let's be honest, of course you don't, but I do: 40 days. He lived in an airport for 40 days before he even got temporary asylum. That's definitely how you treat one of your valued spies, huh?
Anyway, this is a waste of my time. I can't keep listening to you make shit up and then desperately search for a cherry-picked, misinterpreted fact to justify it. Next time, just admit you're wrong, or at the very least, stop talking.
You asked me to share statements that Russia made that you mirrored. So I did.
Nice try changing the subject instead of acknowledging that you’re parroting Kremlin talking points.
Remember when he said he supported Kamala Harris when he was accused of election interference in the US?
You were done when you revealed that you don’t even know the meaning of espionage.
Your whole argument is: -“Snowden threw away his life because he is such a nice guy.”
-“Snowden chose flights that land in Russia but it’s Americas fault he’s there!”
-“How could Snowden possibly know that his passport would be cancelled after committing espionage and fleeing the country.”
You’ve been repeating Russian propaganda this whole time. I wanted to see if you would call Hong Kong China or repeat Chinese propaganda too.
Again, Chelsea Manning plead guilty to espionage (being a spy). You’re trying to reject reality and replace it with your revisionism.
“hOw CoUlD sNoWdEn KnOw HiS pAsSpOrT wOuLd Be CaNcElEd AfTeR cOmItTiNg EsPiOnAgE aNd FlEeInG tHe CoUnTrY?!”
Normal Americans don’t commit espionage and flee the country and then expect their passports to stay valid. This has to be the dumbest of all your arguments.
Like you couldn’t possibly forecast that a country would cancel a passport over espionage. I’m crying laughing at how stupid that is.
Lmao, you’re going with “spies can’t sleep in airports”! I bet you think dogs can’t look up also…
This is called reading not listening. Maybe you’re hearing yourself struggle to sound out each word.
Looks like you don’t have any response to the facts.
I like how you pretend this is a waste of time so you have an excuse to not respond. But if that were true you just wouldn’t respond.
So your copy and paste reply is proof you can’t admit you are wrong.
Remember that time you were wrong about Snowden but you couldn’t admit it so you just kept reposting the same comment?
That was funny
Remember how you couldn’t forecast that Snowden would get his passport cancelled for commiting espionage and fleeing the country? That was hilarious.
Remember how you got in that discussion about Snowden without even knowing the meaning of the word espionage? I’m still laughing about that.