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[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 38 points 5 days ago (14 children)

Someone gets it.

Lets instead do this:

Every citizen, irrespective of their nationality, skincolor, gender has the right to:

  • living quarters
  • work
  • maximum of 7 hours of work
  • free healthcare
  • paid vacation
  • equal pay and treatment for women
  • freedom of religion and speech

This is directly taken from a 1936 constitution. Today one could improve on it but we're so much worse, everywhere.

Now guess which one.

Go check if you dare

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 36 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Uh... This is coming from the folks who said "he who does not work, neither shall he eat" during a famine so... uh... yeah, that's not the flex you think it is.

Edit: And in case anyone is wondering, this gets worse with context.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 24 points 4 days ago (9 children)

As opposed to the current time of surplus and abundance where it is if "you don't work you don't eat". Which is morally a lot worse considering there is more than enough food to feed everyone

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I thought it was the nazis who said that, so I checked it with FuckDuckGo assist:

This phrase, "He who does not work, neither shall he eat," originates from the New Testament, specifically 2 Thessalonians 3:10,

Also love that people try to make it morally acceptable because of reasons.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They also created the famine by decentralizing agriculture and planning, but at least that sort of people learned their lesson from it and didn't repeat the exact same blunder in China years later, right?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

during a famine

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[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 22 points 4 days ago

And those were obviously 100% kept 🤡

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Luckily, the Soviet union treated homosexuals to a similar standard. /s

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Couldn't we just add equality for sexual orientation and gender expression to a new list of rights, along with the things already mentioned?

OP even said, "Today one could improve on it," implying that the referenced constitution isn't meant to be a comprehensive list for the modern day.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Soviet Union didn't particularly treat homosexuals any worse than most countries at the time. Sure, it should have done better, but there are limitations to ideology when lessentially your entire ideological base members die in the struggle against the Nazis due to being the first to volunteer.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

After the October Revolution of 1917, homosexuality was decriminalised in Soviet Russia with the repeal of the legal code of the Russian Empire, and this decriminalisation was confirmed with new criminal codes in 1922 and 1926. Under Joseph Stalin, the Soviet government reversed course in the late 1920s and promoted harsher policy against LGBTQ rights. In 1933, homosexuality was recriminalised in the Soviet Union, and Article 121, which prohibited male homosexuality, was added to the Soviet penal code in the following year.

You don't get to blame this on the Nazis.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Again, not any worse than any other country of the time.

Actually it is worse because they were better and then actively decided to make things worse.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 2 points 4 days ago

If you had actually read anything on the "decriminalization" of homosexuality in Soviet Russia after 1917, you'd know that there was not really any social movement on the side of legalizing homosexuality. The fact that its criminalization was repealed is mostly due to Bolsheviks wanting to repeal essentially all Russian Imperial law.

Homosexuality wasn't even well-understood at the time, they conflated gender and sexuality, which is why only male homosexuality was criminalized. The Soviet Union, due to it being heir to a very patriarchal society, wanted "stronger men and workers", and lesbians were seen as a more masculine version of men (which was accepted) whereas gays were seen as "feminized men", which was seen negatively.

Even then, my point is that after the 40s most of the theorists of socialism were fucking killed at the hands of Nazis, and that's one of the biggest reasons why social policy didn't develop sufficiently in the Soviet Union. But even so, the criminalization of homosexuality for the most part wasn't particularly prosecuted compared to many countries, there's a difference between something being illegal and something being prosecuted.

All in all: yes, they should have done better, but the material conditions of the moment didn't really allow for much better.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago

The maximum hours you can work did not apply to everyone as my former boss has stories of working 12+ hours in the gulag he was sent to for reasons he does not know.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (39 children)

Stalin 1936 constitution. Holidays for "enemies of the people" were unpaid and in a quite cold climate of Siberia. They also cared about fitness of citizens by ensuring no one has too much of food. And if you didn't like it, you get a free ride in a black car to the place of final rest.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

maximum of 7 hours of work

productivity has increased so that we don't need to work so much anymore.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 4 days ago

Absolutely correct. Thats why I said one could improve on it.

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