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Hitler famously inspired his Lebensraum theory in the US example and the Manifest Destiny doctrine. The US successfully genocided almost the entirety of native Americans. So yes, I would make a similar claim for the USA

The files may be real, but they're no evidence of genocide in the slightest

None of the instances of what you're claiming have been disproportionate compared to any modern conflict if you actually run the numbers, and if you compare to western-backed wars such as the invasion of Iraq, the numbers pale in comparison. War is horrifying, and you can heavily criticise the invasion of Ukraine, but calling it a genocide simply doesn't hold when you look at the numbers.

There's no evidence whatsoever of forced labor, and calling the reeducation camps "concentration camps" is very misleading and not really based on actual evidence, just on misinterpreted Adrian Zenz anti-chinese propaganda.

In China, it's normal for teens 13 to 18 years old to be interned into boarding schools in which they study about 12h a day. In western Europe that would be considered child abuse, in China many see it as a rather normal thing.

This isn't to say there's probably been a degree of authority abuse and police state for an interval of time in Xinjiang as a consequence of counter-terrorism policy. But Uyghur culture and language are celebrated, people enjoy better living conditions than 10 years ago, and you can see the vibrant life and culture in Kashgar if you go watch any content from any content creator who's been in the area lately.

Israel is currently sliding away from this

It's not. It's the very conception of the state of Israel. It was funded through the Naqba, a forcible relocation of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. The very idea of the modern state of Israel is genocidal and an apartheid ethnostate

as you call them, brown

I was obviously being critical of the disregard westerners exercise on the lives of those they consider non-whites, sorry you're too obtuse to see that.

Don't quite remember Germany being in Iraq or Lybia lately

Sorry, you're right, I mixed up German involvement in the invasion of Afghanistan with Iraq. Germany did participate in the bombing of Libya during the NATO maneuvers that ended up precipitating the murder of Gaddafi and the Libyan Civil War.

Ew

How is this evidence of genocide? This is evidence for the existence of correction camps (which you can obviously criticise) during a very concrete period of time in Xinjiang over the span of a few years, not evidence of genocide

Source of your article:

The files were leaked to Adrian Zenz

If you still take seriously anything coming from Adrian Zenz, chairman of the Victims of Communism Memorial Association and rabid Christian conservative, it's your fault

Any source from anywhere could be propaganda

Which is why I'm bringing up things such as the overwhelming lack of photographic evidence over the 5+ years since the claims started, not exclusively blaming the BBC.

Here is your chance to debunk the BBC report if you want

Very convenient how the burden of proof is on me to prove that a report is fake. Casting away fake news is easy and doesn't require any research or effort, debunking them is more complicated. How about this: the lack of photographic evidence from the BBC or any other report is enough for me to deny the claims of genocide.

You are confusing banning news production by foreigners with banning transmission of foreign news

No, I talked about both, I gave you the explicit example of the lack of Chinese state media in US institutional press releases.

China probably forbids BBC news with their great internet firewall

Good. Things like this are why there isn't a pro-fascist movement in China, unlike the western world. China is progressively opening up now that it has enough soft power to maintain the western propaganda at bay, whereas the west closes up to Chinese social media by banning Tiktok or requiring it to have american ownership.

know they ban the Tiananmen Square massacre imagery

Yet you can readily find pictures of it happening, how come you can't find pictures of a 5-year-long genocide in the age of smartphones?

Not "every single Uygur", just the ones locked up

The reeducation centers are almost all closed already. I'm not arguing there wasn't a reeducation campaign for a few years in Xinjiang targeting Uyghur people as a measure of counter-terrorism, I'm arguing that it's already over (hence no news since 2022-2023) and that it doesn't remotely constitute genocide.

Why do you bring up tankies? I'm not talking about any communist state, I'm talking about the proto-fascist, contemporary Russian republic, and explicitly said you can condemn it.

equate Gaza and Ukraine with

Huh? Gaza and Ukraine are completely different conflicts. Ukraine is a military invasion, Gaza is a genocide.

No, not according to the current definition

Can you post the current definition? I'm happy to argue about that, because i do maintain that it's a genocide in the case of Gaza because there's a manifest intent to eliminate an entire people, unlike the case of Ukraine.