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Stop Killing Games - EU Initiative 1 MILLION ACHIEVED! + More signatures needed
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How is that petition even valid? For example, as a non-EU citizen, what's to stop me from just selecting Finland and entering bogus info? Does that mean as a US citizen I get to decide EU laws?
Additionally, from the "initiative seeks to..." part, none of that is listed on their website as goals. They don't list any goals which is kind of problematic if you have an EU petition. Its a petition to do what specifically (show me a goal)?
EDIT: I just read through the Past Actions & Results of their site. Of the completed Actions, all of the them have failed. I then realized this petition doesn't require EU to pass anything, only that a committee look at it. I feel like this is a really well intentioned activity that ultimately will fail due to poor execution. Even if the petition succeeds, no action has to be taken by EU member nations and historically hasn't.
The petition needs to be signed with the eID of a EU country, a EU passport or a EU identification card in most countries.
Unless you have one of those, you can't sign the petition with bogus info.
Not sure how countries that don't have those handle it.
Not for Germany you don't.
Signatures will be verified at the end of the petition period.
Do you know how? Its pretty easy to just randomly generate addresses using something like this (https://www.bestrandoms.com/random-address-in-fi). I can just VPN to Finland and enter Itätuulenkuja 92, 02100 Espoo, Finland. Its just a construction yard, but is the petition recipient going to actually check that?
Don't know the exact mechanism, but EU countries have national ID database, so unless you're committing actual identity theft your signature will be invalidated.
There's no realistic way to spoof the eID I needed to vote. It is bound to you, you generally can't get one without in-person identification, and once you have it it only works with an authenticator app.
I have signed the petition but wasn't ever asked for an ID.
So in countries like mine (FR) how are they gonna check my signature?
Idk, did they ask for your id number?
No, not how petitions work in the EU. Nominally it means they can force the EU parliament to bring underway legislation concering the topic, albeit there isn't really a control mechanism for this. But say they do it anyways lest they lose even more credibility, considering games despite having existed for at least 50 years at this point are foreign objects to basically everyone that is the leftovers in the EU Parliament Ubisoft or whatever is gonna send two lobbyists and it ends up at at some sort of EU law that says "under reasonable circumstances video games should have to be playable after the copyright holder abandons service except if it costs them any money"
If that's true, why have all the other Actions failed? This is like the 10th(?) time they've tried and the furthest they've gotten is the EU saying that it is up to member nations to address.
And going further with that, all you need is 1 million signatures to change EU law? There are 449 million people in the EU. That would mean that 0.22% of your population gets to dictate what laws are made for the other 448 million people. Coming from a country that is quickly becoming authoritarian and non-democratic, that seems fairly non-democratic.
Cause it's nominal and "bring underway legislation" is a catch all term. Petitions to democratic parliaments are bullshit, why would any of them care about - as you point out - a single issue thaat 0,22% of the population signed up for?
They might have to have it as a point of order for the next meeting, in which they all decide "nah, no legislation needed, shit's fine" and be done with it. That's how most petitions go, anyways. You cannot force a law into existence by petitions.
Exactly like you said. I think this whole thing is really good intentioned, but its just not feasible. I think if people don't want companies to do this sort of thing, they should just stop buying crap from those companies. Maybe not quite accurate, but its like crack-addicts complaining about the quality of their crack to their dealers. The dealer knows they aren't going to stop buying crack, so why would they change anything.
On the flipside I don't think just boycott works, not with the way IP law is structured. If you want true archival of games that has to be put into law, otherwise eventually somebody just buys the Remnants of Ubisoft and figures all those long life SSDs aren't worth it to keep around anymore.
I think if you wanted to do this you have to just get politically involved like in general. You can't single issue this, there's too many hurdles. From gerontocratic parliaments over to IP laws and a general populaces ignorance as to how important keeping history and archives is this was never going to fly. Very much a true love is possible only in the next world - for new people. It is too late forus. wreak havoc on the middle class thing.
These people aren't involved though. They just signed a petition. That's near zero effort. The majority of these people think that petition passes = new law. That's not what the petition does. That's a main issue I have with all of this (in addition to the other points). The EU committees have previously stated its on the member nations to legislate this, not the EU itself. After the committee on petitions looks at this, the most they can do is refer it to another committee for fact-finding. This is where it has always died for the reason just mentioned. The question I'd have for the people who sign this is: if the EU has stated it is not within their power to legislate this, why do you think after 3-4 asks that they suddenly would now have the power to legislate?