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[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 64 points 21 hours ago (14 children)

and all the blue no matter who dem's are rushing right now to condemn this right?

Course I do wonder if there's a republican in this race that can add to the "corrupt asshole" competition.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 10 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

Blue no matter who, in this case would mean Mamdami. He is the Democratic primary winner. So yes. I'm pretty sure almost all of them would be. What did you think blue no matter who meant? It's all about keeping someone even worse like a republican from winning the seat.

I can't speak for new york, but where I am. Third parties are non-existent realistically. I'm sure New York City in particular has a heavy Democratic turnout. Though maybe they actually have some viable third parties. But in this case all these corrupt ghouls aligning against mamdani are doing their best to split the vote for the blue so the Republican can win. I think Democrats would be wise in this instance to vote blue no matter who. Though especially because it's mamdani this time. That's all blue no matter who really meant. Standing in solidarity against the fascist. If we had done it in 2024 we would be in a much better position now.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 3 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

My point mainly is made half jokingly but, I will bet a significant portion of the democratic leadership that scolds progressives, blaming losses on people that even tried to fight in the primaries (IE say people who blamed Bernie on Hillary's defeat), will also be the ones saying "oh no this is serious... we should vote for coumo because he's the real democrat). Say people like Bill Clinton that endorsed him in the primaries.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Fair enough. Though in 50 years of watching this I don't think I've ever seen it used that way? Definitionally. In a Democratic primary for the Democratic party. Everyone is blue no matter who. Now the establishment definitely loathes being challenged. Which is all more reason to do it.

Blue no matter who generally only means anything in the general. All the better now that actual people can use it against the party establishment for once. And I would argue that any member of the establishment or New York Democratic party leadership who would vote for anyone other than the parties candidate, mondami. Should be ousted from leadership. Any leadership that doesn't have the courage of conviction for the Party's candidate. Certainly doesn't represent that party.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I do agree, though we'll see when the road gets closer... I have a very bad feeling we are going to see a lot of big names throw their weight behind Cuomo.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Money will definitely present an obstacle. But the fact mamdami is the parties candidate carries plenty weight itself. Outside the primaries people are largely clueless. Name recognition will count for something. Though I don't think Cuomo's is that good. IIRC he's dirtied of plenty. So hopefully party recognition will outweigh.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I too think he will win... but I think it's going to shine a light on the democratic parties hypocrisy. We'll see more when the general goes into gear... But I think that some big names in the democratic party are going to either stay silent or flat out oppose Mamdami.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

I mean it's already happened/is happening. Plenty have refused to endorse and some have outright opposed him because of Israel and his skin color (see NY gov Hochul, Senator Schumer, and Senator Gillibrand). However, both AOC and Bernie have endorsed him. Unless Obama comes out against I'm not sure that what democrats outside of NY much less NYC say will really sway anyone more.

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