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They were both generalising, one is racism, the other is misandry, neither should be tolerated from our reporters or politicians.
You have to deal with realities no matter how uncomfortable.
Part of the reason the race element is so contentious is the data is not as good as it should be because people didn't want to collect it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dzj6
But, if you look at the element of gender, and the element of race, in sex abuse, even with bad data, gender makes race pale in comparison.
So we need to look that shit in the face, in the eye, and deal. That's how we improve things for our daughters, and our sons.
How exactly does generalising help us in this situation?
We know where we need to focus to improve things. You need to analyze a problem to fix it. Denial fixes nothing.
Ok - next topic, infanticide, 80% of perpetrators are women.
Let’s look that shit in the face,in the eye, and deal. Let’s get our elected representatives on the TV, internet and radio and make it clear that women are killing their children.
We like to put things in neat boxes, categories, in order to break problems down, sometimes those categories are helpful, sometimes they are not.
I'm sure with infanticide risk they are looking at mothers. Focus where the risk is. That's what data is for. Why it has to be accurate. Infanticide risk monitoring will a postnatal depression checking on the mother.
So not all women? Just mothers? Just new mothers? Just new mothers showing symptoms of PND?
I think you may be correct, it would be ridiculous to send out politicians to say things like “women kill their babies”, much in the same way it would be ridiculous to to say “abusers are men”
We don't get anywhere pending the problem is not as it is. Not all us men are abuses, but "93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male; 84% of victims are female." https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/
So we need to look at what is going on with men that is causing this.
MPs are not the ones doing the statistical analysis and creating recommendations on how to combat the issue, nor are the public. MPs make the decisions based on the analysis and disseminate the relevant information to the public. All your and Jess Phillips phrasing does is alienate and stigmatise the vast majority of men who are not abusers.
The experts need to look at what is going on with abusers that cause them to abuse.
I don't feel alienated by her comments and I'm not an abuser. I know the reality is she is basically right. Focussing on race, like the interviewer was trying to do, is not the area to focus if you care about the issue.
Good for you, and the other slightly more relevant points in my last reply?
What, that experts should be deferred to? Absolutely. I was never one who had "had enough of experts".
Let experts gather good data and make decisions based on it. Jess Philips is commenting on something that sadly sticks out in the data, far more than race, when the interviewer wants to try and talk about race.
I think they both did their jobs very poorly, by attempting to make a nuanced issue that needs complex analysis by experts, into game of culture war top trumps.
I don’t think what is the most relevant between race and gender is something the general public can decide, leave that to the policy analysts, sociologist, and criminologists.
But I also don’t think it’s possible to get you to agree with my point of view on this one.
I think the interviewer was awful. He was doing culture war nonsense and trying to get Jess Phillips to engage. She is right that focusing on race in this, is fiddling at the margins. (With bad data). I don't think it was the debate she was expecting to be honest as she didn't seam fully prepared.
https://refuge.org.uk/what-is-domestic-abuse/the-facts/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002dzj6
This isn't something imported. Despite what Farage and co claim.