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You are giving consent when you vote. You are saying this choice is fine.
Maybe America is at a point where voting is not the solution. How are things now compared to when the American revolution happened?
Edit - people downvote this but 'voting for the lesser of two evils' is. What. Has. Got. You. Here.
Actually, when you vote, you just vote.
That's it. It's not a magic ritual, you don't telepathically send your message to the Holy Ghost of Democracy when you vote, Anubis isn't going to weigh your ballot against a feather before deciding on the fate of your soul.
You circle something or you don't and then you deal with whatever happens however you want.
If you vote for someone in an electoral democracy you're showing support for them, directly. Your vote is a translation of your democratic political power (in theory). It is the same as stating "I want this person in power/control". For that reason, yes voting for someone is literally endorsing them.
Yeah, "(in theory)" - that doesn't have to be inside brackets, all you speak of is a theoretical, ideal democracy. But what we have is, for many good and bad reasons, not even close to that (as can be seem from the actual process of any elections), and it is delusional and useless to act like it is.
So youre simultaneously saying you dont live in a democracy, and also that your vote matters? Those 2 ideas are entirely incompatible with each other.
I'm pretty sure I didnt say either of those things; I don't wish to argue about the semantics regarding the first statement, and the second statement is definitely correct for large parts of the population in some nominally democratic western countries (specifically US and UK whose electoral systems are a fucking disgrace).
Alright, but it's clear that I dismissed this idealist/theoretical mode of dealing with politics in my first comment, and I don't really see any arguments for reestablishing it.
Also yes i am speaking about the notion of democracy itself, that's why I put the words in theory there lol
No.
Implicit in the act of voting is the giving of consent. The fact that you have not received the education to understand this simple fact is indicative of how democracy has failed. It requires an educated populace.
Would you mind pointing me to somewhere where I could be educated on this matter?
They're all happy to gaslight themselves into thinking that they're the virtuous side, just like MAGA.
Meanwhile tens of millions of Americans are working three jobs at 100 hours a week just to be able to rent a roach-infested studio, which in the minds of Democrats, is apparently a-okay because they did nothing meaningful about it.
Also, everything you're seeing now, from normalized police brutality, to ICE raids, to black torture sites, to government-sponsored abductions ("extraordinary renditions"), to unilateral presidential warmaking... was all also done and supported by Democrats. Obama even killed an American with a drone strike. And, for more fun, go look up which president it was that appointed Tom Homan.
The only difference is one side gives nicer speeches.
Then cry and abstain from voting or vote 3rd party and see what it gets us.
Oh wait, it's already fucking happening.
When I was younger the Dems fought a protracted battle to get me affordable healthcare, with the Republicans trying to block it at every turn. The result is I got affordable healthcare when I had NONE before.
You should do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Look up how our economy fairs under Dems compared to Repubs. Look up both party's voting history and find out which one actually regularly votes in favor of the middle and lower classes. Look up their criminal conviction histories.
If you educated yourself you'd find out that one party is INFINITELY better for us than the other and if we actually got off our fucking asses and primaried the Dems that weren't onboard with what we want, they'd become even better for us.
Instead you're crying on the internet and trying to get people to give up.
You are part of the problem.
No. They pretended to, and then when the cost of health care rose to where it was unaffordable they shrugged their shoulders and left you and others to die in ER's. The 'access' Dems like to talk about disappears if you can't pony up for some health care CEO's superyacht.
You should stop making excuses. The last six months under Donald Trump have proven that every time you pretended Democrats were powerless, you were wrong.
No, you're the problem, because Democrats cannot fail badly enough to get you to change.
No, you are saying "Of the realistic choices I have I'm choosing what is BEST".
Then do something about it. Talking about it on the internet is easy. You think modern Americans are going to revolt? Lol. Have fun with that.
No, what got us where we are right now is people crying about not wanting to vote for the lesser of two evils and allowing the real evil to waltz the fuck into power.
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Yes, that's totally a meaningful comparison. Like, let me put on my trilby*, check on my slaves while I ride a horse to town, and discuss the broadsheet nailed to the side of the tavern with the other white land-owning men.
*tricorn
Tricorn. Trilbys wouldn't be invented for at least another century.
You're correct. Edited.