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David Hogg won a legitimate party election to become vice chair because he was popular and then was removed by tje DNC for having the wrong ideology.
They have shown us many times they will not allow themselves to change
If people start voting in primaries that can change.
Am I optimistic that it will? No. But the problem is that people who want to see change aren't voting in primaries and then they complain that their choices suck.
Right…the primaries. Like when Jessica Cisneros ran in Texas, and Pelosi backed Henry Cuellar instead (voted with Trump >80% of the time) and poured tens of millions of DNC money into that race to ensure the progressive Cisneros lost.
Or perhaps more recently, when the DNC anointed candidates for the presidential nomination TWICE without holding a primary election in good faith. Then lost in spectacular fashion.
Establishment dems don’t play fair when they get challenged from the left, hell they completely throw democracy out the window when that happens. The party is lost and the real “Republican agents” are the ones saying “no no, keep voting blue you can change the party from within!” It’s a fool’s errand.
Yeah, the establishment has their thumb on the scale, and that sucks. It means that it will take more primary voters to overwhelm their influence. Like I said, I'm not optimistic.
But it is still the most viable path to change at this time. Unless you have a better suggestion? (Or do you just want to complain?)
New party, simple as.
FPTP. Simple as.
Yeah, we’ve got to get rid of it. Could have been done easily with voting rights act on Biden’s day 1, but golly gee just couldn’t find the votes for any of that “supporting democracy” initiative now could we. Now look at what’s become of American democracy just a few short years later. Pathetic.
FPTP says hi. Won't work.
Get rid of it and replace with star voting as a national standard. Abolish the electoral college. If Congress wont represent us in these initiatives, hold an article V convention for the states to directly amend the constitution with these new voting regulations.
If the states meet, it's right wing bullshit getting passed, not the things you want. They're actively trying to do exactly that
Yep, I hear this same tired argument every time it comes down to article V to get shit done, and it’s always some boomer defender of the status quo. I’m sure we’ll keep hearing it until all state legislatures are fully captured, but thankfully we aren’t there yet.
How about, and hear me out - we organize and mobilize the convention for populist left changes only, and tell any and all repugs to get bent if they so much as try to get a foot in the door? If they don’t understand, I’m sure the business end of some quality American made firearms can help them along.
That's not remotely how conventions work.
Your solution to the issue of changing the Democratic party from the inside being difficult... is a violent rebellion. You think that's more feasible? Absurd
Dems always claiming nothing can be done because republicans won’t let them. Doesn’t leave much else for options.
Pigs can fly, simple as.
Enjoy descending further into fascism then, because that’s clearly the direction we’re ratcheting towards.
Your plan is to break the ratchet, sending us careening right in hopes that a new party can gain traction fast enough to overcome both Democrats and Republicans before the country is completely lost. Terrible idea.
What you described does sound terrible, but those are your words not mine. The establishment politicians are already a uniparty serving only the rich and corporations and careening ever rightward towards full on authoritarianism.
What I’m claiming is that if you give the American people an actual choice, many would be surprised at how much support progressive politics receives. If we added in a national voting holiday to further enable democracy, the tides would turn in a single election cycle.
Ok.
So we've established that you like complaining.
Now let's move on to the part where you have some suggestions.
Because if your suggestion is voting 3rd party you need to understand some things.
Which 3rd party? Cuz Americans splitting their votes among multiple 3rd parties guarantees a further decline into Republican fascism.
No 3rd party, at all, is ready to start winning national elections. They aren't even really winning any local or state elections. It's going to take a long time before a 3rd party is viable IF one decides to start putting in the hard work. So what would you suggest doing in the meantime when it comes to national elections?
You don't need to keep telling us everything is shitty. We get it. Start telling us what you think should be done about it that actually makes sense.
In the meantime, here are some things you can do to help move us in the right direction:
organize locally against the fascist regime which is presently stealing everything from working class voters and is imminently coming to place many of us into slave labor camps. Whatever you do - don’t give money to democrats unless they’re part of the squad or endorsed by rebellion pac.
work towards getting money out of politics. If we don’t outlaw the presently legalized bribery, we simply have to take politicians at their word when they say they won’t take corporate pac money to control their votes. See Kirsten Sinema or John Fettterman for how well that tends to work out. Wolf PAC is non partisan and has been working towards this goal for years.
if you absolutely refuse to look outside democrats for representation, at least support ones who are intent on changing the system to end corruption and help the working class. Rebellion PAC is endorsing these type of candidates, very selectively. David Hogg’s leaders we deserve is doing something similar, but with more of a focus on ousting crusty establishment Republicrats from their too-long-held seats.
I don't think voting in a DNC primary will result in the most popular candidate being the chosen candidate to run as president. I beleive the DNC will choose the winner before the primary starts like they have for decades.
I don't beleive a canidate hand picked by the DNC will create positive change
Obama was an upset candidate. Hillary was the DNC choice in 08.
Didn't Bernie Sanders lead in 2019 and dems decided to go with Biden for safety?
If you mean that democratic primary voters in subsequent states voted for Biden after Sanders had the early lead, yes.
Yeah, I think you're right. So it's the people that suck, not just the parties.
Bingo.
At least the people currently voting in primaries suck. The solution is for more people who don't suck to start voting in primaries
Because we haven't put enough pressure on them yet.
Did you think this would end with David Hogg winning a vice chair position?
Gonna take more than that to change a party. But it's better than everyone splitting the vote for various 3rd parties that have absolutely no presence at all, whatsoever.
Let's see what happens with this NYC election. That's a bigger deal than David Hogg.
Right. And trump didn't take over the rnc in one go. It takes constant pressure. Keep fighting.
By his first election he absolutely owned the RNC
Not completely. McCain was blocking him.
McCain is still alive?
I haven't seen him since he ran against Obama.
I was talking about after Trump's 1st election. The rnc was about to repeal Obamacare (without a replacement) and McCain did his thumbs down before voting to not repeal it.