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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Weeks at best, possibly months. And that's still best case.

This ain't even the big crash yet.

That happens when Trump finally caves and removes his tarrifs, and everyone else just shrugs and leaves theirs on.

It's obvious as fuck, but so was what happened last week. We'll see a small bounce as he announces his are being removed, then shit gets real

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Not that these are normal economic times, but I read that when the 2 and 10 year treasury bills become inverted and then go back to normal there's about 7 months before a recession hits. This trend has been true for the last 50 years. If this holds up, the recession will be here around August, but we know donny will bring it beautifully and ahead of schedule. The best recession, probably ever.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (8 children)

It was inverted from 2022 to 2024 and we were completely fine

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i mean sure, as long as you were making more than $120k and were located in an area with low cost of living

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The Biden economy was actually pretty good, you whiners basically handed the election to Trump

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

i want to make it abundantly clear. rebublicans are horrible terrible no good very bad fascists. but one of the goals of the left needed to be convincing the democrats that being republicans circa 2006 wasn't doing any of us any favors. the inflation of the post covid lockdowns era was similar in nature to the economic recovery of the post recession era: it wasn't reaching everyone everywhere. that's what bernie sanders was talking about when he said a democratic party that turned its back on the working class had the working class turn its back on them.

it's not whining to say that neoliberal economic policies don't benefit everyone everywhere equally. biden obsessed with traditional economic indicators, meanwhile people's paychecks were not keeping pace with the increasing cost of living that was resulting from unchecked systemic greed. the minimum wage needed to go up. the healthcare system needed to be adjusted again. overall the desperately poor needed to be given assistance to not be desperately poor.

i would argue this desperation, and the democrats refusal to listen to that they needed to apply consequences to fascism and engage more with economic populism was what handed trump the election. telling people who are desperate to shut the fuck up, everything is going great, actually, is incredibly tone deaf. and to reiterate: the MAGAts are embarrassingly unaware of who and what they just voted for and that things are getting worse now because in the race between bad and worse they chose worse. being desperate is no excuse for voting for trump. but the democrats also have no excuse for doing so little to provide for the little guys. Kamala started out strong promising people housing assistance, but stopped emphasizing that down the stretch as she courted corporate donor money.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

People's paychecks in fact did keep pace with inflation

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Except for the part where not really. CPI kept going up until it outpaced CoL adjustments. Not to mention for minimum wage earners, their paychecks have been stuck at $7.25 since 2009. From 2020 to 2022, the united states dropped 5 spots in Human Development index, and when you adjust for income inequality are doing even worse. 64% of US adults are delaying medical care because they can't afford their next treatment because of pre-existing medical debt.

This system of focusing entirely on traditional economic indicators and ignoring the growing chasm between the impoverished in this country, the vanishing middle class, and the wealthy is weird. It's not normal. It's not okay.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Your link shows pay outpacing inflation

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

it also shows consumer purchasing power, the metric that matters when you're buying things, falling. inflation tells us that our currency is just as valuable as ever when compared to other currencies, but CPI tells us that our ability to live on that currency is reduced. which is what i'm trying to say and talk about. the fact that inflation has been stable, but consumer purchasing power is reduced speaks to massive amounts of petty greed coursing through the system. the problem from here is that 47 is a greedy fucking bastard and so are all his cronies. the theft machine is getting way more intense right now, but that doesn't change the fact that for most americans, they didn't get to see the benefits of the pandemic recovery, but 47 and his buddies certainly did. they then used that financial power to by tv coverage and ads that would ensure a greater likelihood of taking over and intensifying the greed machine. i appreciate what you're ultimately saying, that 47 is worse for people than the alternative, but if we're going to ever have our country back from the greedy wolves, we need to convince our fellow sheep that a wolf shouldn't be in charge, and to do that we need to understand how they got tricked by the wolves

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

That's not what inflation means, inflation is compared to goods, not other currencies

Purchasing power improved during Biden

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