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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maths is objective, yes. But maths is an 'is', while morality is an 'ought'. And you can't get an ought from an is without subjective values. And while maths is objective, any individual's understanding of it may be inaccurate.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Morality is an 'is' if you frame it as good vs evil like the context of this post

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

What would that actually mean though, for an act to be 'intrinsically good'? I understood a good act as meaning an act that is virtuous to do, but then surely what is virtuous is determined by personal values.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There are three main camps of ethics:
virtue ethics, which I think you're describing,
consequentialism (which is exclusively about the outcome of actions),
and deontology, which are the moral objectivists.

Deontologists argue that virtues and outcomes don't matter- that there are universal underlying rules determining what is good or bad.

I believe the answer to 'what that would actually mean' is something along the lines of "it just is"

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago

If saying something is 'good' or 'bad' doesn't in any way relate to what people should do, then it's about as meaningful as saying an action is 'zonk' or 'crinkey'