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Until now this would have been a stupid question - this is my home. But we're in a strange timeline. My background is I was born in the UK, met first husband, married, got green card, that went tits up, divorced, met husband 2, found forever love, married, naturalized in 2021. Have my passport and everything.

It's my dad's birthday, and he lives in the UK. I want to go back and celebrate, but I'm nervous about reentry into the US. I naturalized during the Biden presidency, and I am a Democrat, I feel nervous that I have a target on my back. I have a home and pets here. Am I ridiculous for worrying or should I be cautious about leaving right now?

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

update: Blue sky users are apparently receiving threatening letters using the phrase their "parole is terminated" despite being us citizens; I can't confirm anything, but I'm looking into it now.

so far naturalized citizens are not being harassed or detained.

everyone i've heard about being turned away or deported so far has a green card, visa or is in the US illegally.

it's certainly a terrible situation and a slippery slope, but as far as I'm aware naturalized citizens are not facing that treatment yet.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

https://bsky.app/profile/nicolemicheroni.bsky.social/post/3lml5ctrmmc2u

Some personal news: the Department of Homeland Security has given me, an immigration lawyer born in Newton, Massachusetts, seven days to leave the U.S. Does anyone know if you can get Italian citizenship through great-grandparents?

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Italy and Ireland were like the last two countries that you could claim citizenship through great-grandparents, but I think Italy just ended it this year.

thanks for posting this, it's the first I've heard of maybe a US citizen being deported.

I'm looking into related posts to find corroboration and explanation for the term "parole" used here.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's the first I've heard of maybe a US citizen being deported.

It's been happening for years. From the Washington Post:

The U.S. government does not release data on how often ICE wrongfully detains or deports U.S. citizens. But investigations by media outlets, research institutes and oversight agencies have revealed that ICE has arrested, detained, deported and issued detainers — requests to local jails to hold a person in custody — for thousands of citizens since the agency was created in 2003. One 2011 study estimated that roughly 1 to 1.5 percent of deportees are U.S. citizens.

https://archive.is/20250411190043/https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/05/us-citizens-deported-immigration/

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks, I meant intentional deportations of US citizens.

[–] just_ducky_in_NH@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing says they weren’t intentional.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 12 hours ago

nothing says they were.

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From what I read itsly "ended" it, but it's not confirmed permanent yet, there will be a vote 60 days after march 28 to make it permanent. Their new restrictions are pretty extreme though. I would expect the vote to not pass, but some other version of this will get passed at some point.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago

It's literally a fascist government, what do you expect. They were fairly moderate until Trump's election basically gave them permission to go nuts.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh shoot I just thought they got rid of the "great" part and you can still become a citizen if you have italian grandparents, what are the new restrictions?

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

got it.

as far as I'm aware, it's just the "great" part that changed. it's not so much that Italian immigration laws have become overly restrictive as they were so broad before as to proving Italian heritage.

The current Italian citizenship restrictions are still a great deal easier than most other countries.

basically, as long as you have a parent or grandparent who is an Italian citizen or became one, you can become an Italian citizen also by filling out a form.

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You should read the first link

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

that's the article I was originally referencing and then referenced again.

did you understand that article differently than how i've summarized it?

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Under the new regulations, applicants must have at least one Italian parent or grandparent to apply under jus sanguinis. They must also demonstrate Italian language proficiency, which was previously only needed for naturalization through residency or marriage. The proficiency test is a five-part state exam held several times a year, or a higher level equivalency test for those not living in Italy.

At the moment applicants do not have to be currently living in Italy, but do need to have previously lived in the country for three years to be eligible.

Italian language proficiency, prior Italian residency for 3 years, those are both new as well.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think language proficiency is a new requirement, but good to know, thanks.

The residency I'm pretty sure is new, it used to be 10 years for citizenship through residency.

I'm curious to see if this new law will get ratified.

thanks!

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Those are both new... I've been tracking this and collecting my own documents for some time. But if you can't be bothered to read or search for yourself I'm going to stop engaging with you. Thanks for playing.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 hours ago

You're incorrect, residency and language fluency are not new residency requirements for Italian citizenship, although the proposals I brought up(that have not been signed into law yet) are being expanded specifically for ancestry petitions.

You can try again.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

immigration lawyer born in Newton, Massachusetts,

I'm guessing they intended to send this notice to one of this lawyer's clients, rather than the lawyer themself?

[–] radix@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

On the one hand, it has to be a mistake, right?

On the other, malicious harassment of an immigration lawyer with a "foreign" sounding name is exactly the sort of thing you'd expect right now.

Absolute best case scenario for this administration is that they are prone to making stupid, dangerous, embarrassing mistakes that will end up getting someone hurt or worse. And that's giving them way more benefit of the doubt than they've earned.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

not with regard to this specific situation, since white people have been deported or turned away due to their visa status, but under this administration anyone not white should feel way more targeted than they might be under other administrations.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah as much as I like to shit on Trump, citizens are not really at much risk. Maaaaybe if you have a criminal record they could try some shit, but it would be a shift for the administration

[–] ParadeDuGrotesque@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 20 hours ago

Not really at much risk... YET.

Give it another 6 months or so.