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Have you considered the animals we don't eat just don't taste good? π€·ββοΈ
Or they were too hard to domesticate?
I often wonder which animals would just go extinct if we stopped farming them. And which ones would trade in a shorter life of food, shelter, safety, and health instead of being in the wild and surviving, constantly preyed on.
Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live.
Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature. I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop.
Or we could treat them better
Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too.
You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I.
They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse
Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses.
animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live.
Hahaha, what total nonsense.
what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those.
I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal.
But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays.
"common knowledge", "truisms"
just present some evidence
I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader.
Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences.
However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive.
(Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living)
TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living.
this is poisoning the well.
this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though.
there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want.
Well, Aurochs has gone extinct because of humans. Domesticated cow would likely have huge mortality rates due to inflamed udders the first few generations (things like this fix themselves fast).
Can confirm. I've tasted dog; Not that good.
Horses are excellent sausage material though.
Horses are best as cold smoked cuts imoΒ
I like horse steak a lot. Itβs somewhere between beef and venison.
Do you think most carnivores donβt taste all that great?
Haven't thought about it, as I haven't eaten many, but pigs are omnivores, and they're pretty great.
I tasted alligator a while back, and it was alright.
Iβve had alligator but only fried, so Iβm not sure if that really gave me the best example
Does raw pork taste good?
Or is it the dish that tastes good, a.k.a how it's prepared and seasoned?
For example, I hate fish, but Fish'n'chips is amazing, because there's barely any taste of fish.
Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. I definitely know there are meats, completely unseasoned, that I like and dislike. Pork is a big ugh from me.
Oh, I dunno about that. Have you ever seen a vegetarian relapse? They'll murder you if you try to take it off them.
Even without seasoning, change the cut and cooking method makes a huge difference.
I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now.
You know there is more than 1 fish right?
No shot??
Raw pork tastes great.
Taste is probably a matter of taste
I draw the line to the right of horse, because we have bred those animals for thousands of years as food.
Thats why they taste the best.