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What if wages for everyone in a company are regularly voted on by the rest of the company? For example, if the manager isn’t doing their job, their wages are lowered by vote. If the manager tries to lower the wages of the workers to a horribly low level, it could either a) be overruled by the majority, or b) the manager’s wages are lowered suit, pressuring them to increase it.

This is probably a really stupid idea that is extremely prone to corruption, but why?

edit: yep this really is a stupid idea

edit 2: someone mentioned that this is kinda like trade unions, where workers can negotiate pay, but in a really horrible method where it becomes a "popularity contest".

I do think that someone else's idea of keeping the every employee's wages some % of the manager/CEO/whatever's wages so that they aren't incentivised to keep inflating their wages is pretty decent.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You might want to edit the title to include the actual question.

but as for the question itself... Ahm. just on a pragmatic side... "the rest of the company..." might be something that could be reasonably done on a small company (less than a 250 people. Probably less than 50 people, actually,) but in any large company, you may as well send out a poll asking what kind of soup they prefer- Chicken or Pea Soup- and which ever manager backing the losing soup gets the axe.

The only people who might be aware of how hard any given person works are going to be the team members alongside them and the direct reports above and below them.

And to be perfectly blunt, working hard doesn't necessarily translate to work getting done. if the manager is just spinning their wheels and not getting the core stuff done, it's a problem. If the manager is spending too much time on things that simply don't matter... it's a problem.

Ultimately, even if you can have a reasonable belief that every one knows what every one else does and doesn't do (that sounds like hell, actually.) it turns into a popularity contest and the manager whose actually keeping things running might not get recognized by it, where the manager throwing parties and blowing cash does. One might say I'm being a stick in the mud, but the reality is, if the managers stop facilitating the work their people do... then the company fails. No parties. no jobs. no company.

[–] scheep@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, wouldn’t really work for a huge company. Most people don’t know EVERYONE in the whole company. Also, more popular people would have an unfair advantage

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

functionally, it wouldn't work for anything more than a very small start up. just on the practical side.

it's not just a question of unfair advantage. It's a bald faced stupid way to run a company. you cannot make everyone happy, and a good manager isn't going to be the most liked person in the room.

Human nature means most people won't be invested in making a sound business decision. they're going to invest as much thought into it as voting in a poll about what soup is their favorite. maybe considerably less.

[–] scheep@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

it is a really stupid idea, no wonder nobody does it!