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Ukraine will turn down the offer. Zero doubt.
Also I would add that a quick turn down is exactly what certain factions want. A sort of “Ukraine is a hysterical warmonger, told ya, pull the US out.”
I think being aggressively nuanced is pragmatic for Ukraine. Call the US out for crystal clear clarification, quickly and loudly. If we can’t articulate that, then it makes us (the US) look dumb to the rest of the world. If we can, then it’s either significant US commitment, or a tear through the facade.
The key is calling it out before Trump takes over the narrative and this is painted as a gift to Ukraine.
The US already looks very very dumb.
You guys have facades? Na, good joke, these morons are as obvious as a fascist gets
How stupid Russia broke the last cease fire or ignored it, and they got nothing from Trump.
No shit, because it's not a offer, it's a piece of shit.
Probably.
First, maybe they’ll ask for clarification on the security guarantee and reconstruction. It sounds like the US put that on Europe without Europe’s input or any real guarantees.
Why would Ukraine trust any security guarantee anyway after the history?
I mean, they shouldn't. You are preaching to the choir here.
It's not what Ukraine did, but I thought it'd be more strategic to call out the US's demands more subtly instead of 'taking the bait' immediately. It robs the US of excuses.
They ran out of excuses a long time ago, and keep making worse and worse statements