Dogs
All about dogs - dog breeds, dog training and behavior, news affecting dog owners or handlers, puppy pics, etc.
Rules (Will be refined later on).
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Don't be a dick. This should cover most things, just keep in mind that everyone started somewhere and try to be helpful rather than rude or judgmental.
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No personal attacks based on training style or tools.
Discussion of balanced training including proper use of aversives is allowed here. -
All breeds and mixes are welcome. You can criticize backyard breeding practices but don't pile on people because they own a specific breed or prefer purebreds or mixed breeds.
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Do not support backyard breeders or puppy mills. Please do not link to or suggest buying from high volume breeders or those with an obvious lack of standards and testing.
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Do not help or support fake service animals. Please do not encourage people to buy fake service dog vest or ESA letters to get around rental or other restrictions & do not give advice on how to misrepresent a dog as a service or support animal.
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A guard dog DOES not EQUAL a fighting dog. No. But a fighting dog does equal a guard dog.
Good argument point
Do you even know how they BECOME working dogs?
A Shetland Sheepdog doesn't need to go to doggie college to learn to herd sheep. It is in their nature to chase and get everything together. You put my sheltie in a field of sheep, and he'll make sure no sheep wanders off.
There is very little training you have to do to get a beagle to hunt rabbits.
Try training a St. Bernard to hunt rabbits...
Since you said it, it must be true
So you are saying that past generational experiences can shape a breed? That's the opposite of what you are trying to argue.
Many studies have been done about aggression in breeding.
One would be The Russian Silver Fox Experiment.
They took wild foxes and tried to domestic them through selective breeding, and they took aggressive foxes and tried to make more aggressive ones.
Turns out that they could do both, make them less aggressive and more aggressive through breeding.
It has been studied a ton in mice and it has been found that aggression is heritable that follows the Mendelian inheritance patterns with genes located on autosomes. That expression of aggressive behavior is influenced by androgens.
So yes, in a way, we, like dogs, are all "machines" with certain "codes"
Oh geez
I'll ask you this question.
Set up: Pit Bull and Shetland Sheepdog. Both in separate large pits. Gold bars in middle. Food and water is given to both, but no human contact ever.
Which pit would you want to retrieve the gold bar from?
In your mind, it shouldn't make a difference which pit
That's 100% wrong. Except for the "doggie college" part. A working sheepdog ABSOLUTELY needs to be trained. Before, I thought that you might be under the illusion that dogs are machines that just instinctively knows exactly how to do a job without any training. Now I KNOW you're that stupid.
Not if he's not trained to do it right, no. Genetic disposition isn't a cheat code that teaches animals skills automatically. It's still learned behavior regardless of breed.
Hunting them in the right way rather than just randomly haring after them, pun intended, is another story..
Successfully? Sure. Unsuccessfully chasing after wildlife is something all breeds need to be trained out of, even gentle giants like St Bernards or tiny lapdogs.
And since every single expert in canine training and behavior says so.
Not to anywhere near the extent that you're implying, no.
Speaking of minds, judging by that insanely contrived scenario, you've CLEARLY lost yours. We're done here.
Lol okay