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[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Comics like this are just preaching to the choir, and only the ones so fervent they're blinded by their own self righteousness. It's so obviously cherry picked and slanted if you've looked into the issues at play. It shows no respect for the reader at all, and likely only hardens the opinions of those it disagrees with.

You can't convince anyone of anything with this kind of trollish virtue signal. It only exists to get the author pats on the back from people in their own camp.

This kind of shitty rhetoric harms the cause. You can't win hearts and minds with blatant disrespect.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I see no disrespect. I see a good and valid point being made that a huge amount of Americans are oblivious to the obvious.

[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Do you really think that dismissively talking down to people telling them they're delusional is the best way or even a way to win hearts and minds?

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That is a cherry picked statistic. It is blatant propaganda.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Explain which bit is cherry picked and why? Is it disputed that the US has very high gun ownership and very high gun deaths when compared to other first world countries?

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It doesn't include countries with high gun ownership and low deaths. Gun ownership doesn't actually necessarily correlate with gun violence. USA is a violent country for various other reasons.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I did a bit of research myself. A few Nordic countries, and New Zealand, have high gun ownership and low gun death rates.

It seems that the difference is that these countries have very high gun regulations, strict purchase and permit laws and restrictions on storage. I'm not an American, but in truth, is this the case in the US? For instance, none of these countries permit handgun open carry. In Australia owning a handgun at all is next to impossible (almost) and the requirements hardly make it worthwhile for target shooters.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're totally right

What's missing here are all the counties where guns are prohibited, period, and where basically there are no gun deaths because doh.

It's easy to just throw this as "cherry picked" but it's a basic fact that the US has ab insane amount of gun violence whereas counties with strict gun laws have little gun violence and countries with extremely strict gun laws have practically no gun violence because there aren't any guns to use to begin with

You bad guns, you ban gun violence, period

The mental health issue that is constantly brought up is a separate issue that should of course also be fixed, it's just that the US thinks it's a good idea to have extremely bad mental health support mixed with free guns when you open up a bank account.

[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Do you care that people are dead, or that guns were used to kill them? Is it okay to do mass murder by bomb or truck?

If you care about deaths, then you make a chart about deaths. If you care about guns, you make a chart about guns.

This is a chart about guns.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why all the side issues. Is it true, or not?

If it is true, and I believe that it is, it may explain why you are triggered?

[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think it's lying to try to get people to do a good thing.

Deception destroys credibility.

And it makes fun of people who disagree with it.

It alienates, not converts.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, it's nuanced for one thing.

The USA has a violence issue, and legal civilian gun ownership is at most an exacerbating factor. The current regulatory climate towards guns likely causes the most harm in accidents and suicides. But it certainly causes some harm.

Criminals are using illegally sourced guns already, so bans will have no effect there.

Firearms safety courses before you get a license and access to mental health services would be far more effective than yet another weapons ban and more politically palatable to the population. But that doesn't make for a good wedge issue to rally the faithful behind.

Or an actual social safety net and a living wage, because violence is far more strongly correlated with poverty and income inequality.