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Deuteronomy is originally from the Hebrew Bible. According to Jewish mythology, the book is from the sermons of Moses. Though, it's believed to be much more recent (something like a 1000 years) than the time period where the figure of Moses (or the person(s) he was based on) would have existed. But, even taking Jewish and Christian mythologies at their word, Jesus had nothing to do with that rule. Also, Jesus probably meant for this rule to end for adherents of Christianity.
So, feel free to boil a young goat in its mother's milk. Jesus is A-ok with that.
As I understand it, Jewish followers of the Jesus movement were meant to keep the law. However, especially after the death of Jesus, there was a lot of interest in getting gentiles on board and they, at least according to some authors (and apparently this was not a unified position?), the gentiles were not bound by the law (or maybe only by the Noahide law).
I mean, Jesus was Jewish and he wouldn't have called his followers Christians because he hadn't died on a cross yet. He would have called them his Jewish brothers and his followers would have done the same for decades afterwards. He was the leader of a sect of Judaism.
I think what he’s referring to is much of the Jewish traditions (by other Christian denominations) are deemed unnecessary because Jesus fulfilled the prophecies and therefore “preparation” for his coming is no longer required.
It’s a little hard to explain but that’s why Christians don’t do any of the dietary restrictions in the old testament.
I understand what he's saying, he's saying that the followers believe something different.
I'm saying none of that matters. It's like being Catholic versus Lutheran, but Jewish vs. other Jewish that thinks Jesus was the Messiah. Still Jewish for at least decades, probably centuries.
They believed that while he was still alive. We know this because he and his disciples celebrated Passover at the last supper and they thought he was the messiah while he was alive.
And further back? Babylonian? There's some Gilgamesh and Atrahasis in the bible, Moses among others...
I would be surprised if they were borrowing ideas from other cultures in the area (and vice versa). The various peoples in Mesopotamia were interacting regularly; so, some back and forth of ideas is to be expected. Though as a law code, Deuteronomy seems like it would be more home grown.
Not at all surprised, christianity has assimilated all kinds of religions, usually as evil or demon prince. Some examples: Moloch, Beelzebub.
You can literally look up and search for christianity.
Sorry, just recognized my typo, I meant to say "I wouldn't be surprised..."., Not sure how I missed that.
Further back than Babylon. We're talking ancient Sumer.
Sorry, much further back than the Cappadocians and you've lost me
Jesus is against the pull out method confirmed.
Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.
It's been a long time since I read any of the bible, but wasn't there some story in it somewhere where some guy uses that and is immediately killed by god or something? (albiet I think the justification was some sort of tradition obligating him to have a child with a specific person, and his behavior was supposed to be exploiting that without fulfilling his end or something like that).
Onan was punished because he was trying to fuck over Tamar. Tamar was his brother’s wife, and his brother died. Because women had essentially no rights or property, it was expected that a widow without children would be given to her husbands brother, so he could knock her up and have a son to take care of her. (Levirate marriage)
Onan was trying to screw Tamar out of being able to survive - trying to make it so that he would inherit all of his father Judah’s money. God noticed this, and killed him.
The funny part is the follow up - Judah has another son, but is like “oh shit, this women is cursed. She’s lead to the death of two of my sons, I don’t want to lose the last one.” So he tells her to go hang out with her parents until his son is “ready” - clearly intending to blow her off forever.
So Tamar eventually catches on, realizes that she’s never getting what’s hers, so dresses up like a temple prostitute and goes to the city. Judah comes across her disguised as a prostitute, and she asks for his family crest as payment for their roll in the hay.
After this, she becomes pregnant. The elders of the group bring her before Judah, saying “hey, your daughter in law is a massive removed and is pregnant. We’re going to kill her.” He asks her who knocked her up, she produces the crest.
Judah is then like “oh dang, you got me.” She doesn’t get killed, she gets her inheritance, and is possibly an ancestor of Jesus.
Really an amazing trickster figure - very reminiscent of Jacob and Esau. The coolest story in the Bible imho - it’s so out of pocket and against the way that women are usually shown in Genesis (in a way that makes me suspect there’s a true story here somewhere). She’s just as clever as Jacob, and clearly more clever than Judah.
Onan, which is why wanking is called onanism. To me it's an odd story because it seems more like a social construct than a divine command. So I wonder if it's been heavily abridged and he died for some other reason that's been left out and they just said God did it because they wanted to reinforce that construct. If God really had a habit of dropping bodies just for spilling their seed, well, let's just say there'd be several thousand reasons why I wouldn't be typing this right now.
Ancient stories are almost always parabolic. If there’s not a lesson to be made, then it’s not preserved. Recording history only for history’s sake a fairly modern value. So you’re absolutely right. Ancient texts, especially scriptures, tend to attribute things to god whenever it’s convenient for the narrative.
That would be Onan, found in Genesis chapter 38.
No idea, but wouldn't be surprised.
How did you get that it was alright to boil a young goat in its mother's milk out of that?
Sure, he says you could eat the young goat that has been boiled in its mother's milk.
But nothing saying it's alright to boil the young goat in the first place, which the OP verse clearly states.
It's a technicality. Jesus didn't require any of the old law to be followed unless expressly said otherwise. The only two things that were expressly said otherwise was "love God" and "love your neighbor". Therefore, baby goat milk boiling is fine.
Check, check, probably not, check, check, check, check, maybe?, check, check, check and check.
This isn't a sermon of Moses, it's God's law. God said to follow his law forever. Christians ignore it, but Jesus said to follow the law forever too.
It's Yahweh's laws but the mythology has it provided by Moses in his sermons to the Israelites. As for Christians ignoring bits of it, part of that is based on saying attributed to Jesus in the gospels (e.g. the bit from Mark I quoted above) and also the simple fact that most religions update themselves as society changes. If anything, I think the Catholic church was smart to have a leader who could receive "new revelations from God". It lets them update canon, while maintaining the illusion that they aren't just making shit up to stay relevant.
It's God's law for the Israelites. Jesus was supposed to represent the start of a new era with new (less restrictive) rules to match if I understand this stuff right.
Christians say that but Jesus said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Okay that's fair.
I'm just an atheist that enjoys the subject. None of this makes sense. As you pointed out, this is for Israelites. Jesus didn't give a shit about gentiles. When the gentile woman asked him to heal her daughter he said he was there for the children of Israel and it would be wrong to take food from children to feed the dogs. 2000 years later and a billion gentiles think he's sitting on a cloud waiting to hear about their day
From what I remember she gave a good answer and he healed her daughter. Matt 15:25-28.
There's also the Great Commission "[Jesus said] go and make disciples of all nations" Matt 28. Jesus does give a shit about Gentiles but his mission was to Israel; it would be the church's mission to bring the Good News to the whole world.
The Old Testament Law/Covenant still stands today and you have the choice to try to follow it if you want. I don't see why you would want to because it's "to be perfect you have to do all this all your life but TLDR you've already broken it so it's impossible and you're already condemned". Jesus introduced a new covenant (aka testament, hence "New Testament", also called "New Covenant" in some bibles) of grace and forgiveness, which is superior to the Old. We don't ignore the Old as such, we just follow the New because it's better.
How does this benefit your neighbour? If you love God you love thy neighbour and vice versa.
Also what is your take on Mathew 22?
I don't see how quoting the two most important commandments negates any of the rest. It goes against when he said to follow all of them, even the least of them, until the end of the earth