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[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Actually, you can just vote for a progressive in the primary instead of a corporate democrat who will do effectively nothing against the GOP and won't prosecute anyone in the Trump administration and fail just like Reconstruction. Crazy, isn't it?

[–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Okay, vote for progressives all you can. Do anything you can to convince other people to get actual progressives in the running. Print flyers, organize events, go door to door if you have to. If that all still fails and we're stuck with the choice to ratchet to the right or stay where we are, then goddamn make the vote to stay where we are and do everything you can to try to ratchet to the left again. Pretty fucking simple choices

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're talking to the wrong person. Every single one of my progressive friends hates the DNC with a passion. They do all of that PLUS they voted for Kamala still.

Maybe don't treat all of us like we're marxist-leninists for a change?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I see your account is a few months old, but trust us - the marxist-leninists (and Other) are very much in all these threads. It’s not a reach to go from “DNC sux” to “refuse to vote! Seize the means of production! Death to the bourgeoise!” It happens. Kind of a lot.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Okay, but to be fair, we should probably Guillotine the Epstein Class, and create employee owned businesses. Would probably benefit a lot of people.

As for voting, we will always need to vote. All governments are a monopoly on violence, and voting is one of the ways to direct that violence. It's mine, and no doubt many others, preferred way of directing that violence. In opposition to dictators, kings, and other unelected versions of governance directing said violence.

So I do view those refusing to vote as naive at best, and dumber than a stump at worst.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ok but your two realistic options for achieving those goals is either to pick up a gun and go do it yourself by force or to participate in our admittedly shitty system and put Democrats and specifically progressive Democrats where possible in power. So which ya gonna do?

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Well considering people are being locked up in concentration camps, shot in the street in broad daylight, and the feckless opposition party constantly rolls over. Probably the gun, since I've already organized with my neighbors in case ICE shows up.

Glad I could clear that up for you though.

Edit: Oh and that's a false dilemma since voting is also backed by guns, they're just used by a third party so we can abstract away the inherent violence that allows a government to be a government.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you're an accelerationist. That's all anyone needs to know about you or your opinions.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

lmao, I'm a reactionary. I react to the world as it is, not as I wish it was. If you're going to try to label me, at least do it right. Especially since you do it to avoid actually putting up an argument, and to avoid your own cognitive dissonance.

Guess you don't have to think critically when all you look for is easy labels, and people to blame. Must be nice.

[–] edible_funk@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well that was a long winded deflection since you have no rebuttal.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You made no argument? There was no need for a "rebuttal". You decided I was labeled, and said that you didn't need anything else.

That's not an argument, that's a statement about your mindset, lol.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Actual leftists spend the day working or volunteering. Internet Marxist-Leninists spend 16 hours a day on social media. That's why it looks like they're so numerous.

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes… where do you think you’re commenting right now?

Tap for spoilerThe Internet

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

What I meant by that is that most leftists don't have time to show their messaging to others because they can't spend too much time in the internet due to having lives. MLs in the internet are mostly unemployed dipshits who spend every hour of their day they're not sleeping attacking people on social media or wanking themselves off to theory written 150 years ago - that's why it looks like there's a lot more of them when it's the complete opposite. They're a statistical anomaly.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It’s not a reach to go from “DNC sux” to “refuse to vote! Seize the means of production! Death to the bourgeoise!” It happens. Kind of a lot.

In the fanfic written by people who don't want the party to ever move to the left.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 12 points 3 days ago

Primaries and local elections matter a lot. I don't think the system is fit to survive long-term, but an engaged electorate would keep things going quite a while longer.

[–] TagYourToe@mastodon.social 1 points 2 days ago

@SalamenceFury @homesweethomeMrL You can also throw rocks at the moon, but you'll just waste your time and look like a fuckin' idiot.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's not the way it works.

We've seen exactly what happens to progressives in the primary.

The Democratic party is NOT democratic, see Sanders vs. Clinton.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Lots of progressives have won state congress/senate primaries so far. Those are what actually matter.

[–] TagYourToe@mastodon.social 1 points 2 days ago

@Mulligrubs @SalamenceFury It was extremely undemocratic of the Democratic Party to not crown Bernie king despite his getting fewer votes and the party base not actually liking him.

By the way, you all don't sound like 2021 MAGAts at all.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Actually, you can just vote for a progressive in the primary

And the party never pulls any shady shit in the primaries, when they aren't denying us primaries entirely.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, a lot of progressives have been winning congress/senate primaries so far...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The party's ratfucking isn't always successful. But any wins are despite the party's opposition, not due to a lack of it.