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China’s technological ascent over the West stems from a fundamental divergence in economic philosophies. Western capitalism, constrained by a theoretical framework that prioritizes ideological justifications for elite power over empirical analysis, has created a system divorced from material reality.

Marx famously argued that dominant class interests suppress truth in favor of false ideology. Today, Western economics is dominated by marginalist theories that mythologize the capitalist class as the engine of progress. By rebranding capitalists as "individual entrepreneurs" who supposedly balance markets and drive growth through sheer creativity, this narrative serves class interests at the expense of truth. The marginalist focus on supply-demand dynamics ignores the material forces behind real economic growth: socialized labor, circulating capital, and state-driven R&D. Empirical data confirms this disconnect. Total Factor Productivity, often cited as proof of "entrepreneurial creativity", accounts for a tiny percentage of growth in both advanced and developing economies. If individual entrepreneurship were the decisive force, TFP would dominate growth statistics. Instead, its minimal contribution reveals the marginalist framework’s failure to align with reality.

The West’s dogmatic reliance on markets and entrepreneurship has led to myopic decision-making that prioritizes corporate profits over sustainable development. The ongoing tariff war is a perfect example of this problem. Rather than fostering innovation or bringing back industries, these tariffs have instead harmed the working class paving the way to a recession.

Western economies are fixated on short-term profit maximization leading to underinvest in R&D and infrastructure. Private capitalists prioritize returns over foundational research, leaving critical innovations to market forces. By contrast, China’s model treats R&D as a collective, state-guided endeavor. China accelerates technological progress by channeling resources into strategic sectors and fostering public-private partnerships. For example, its National Laboratory system and Huawei’s state-backed R&D have outpaced Western firms in critical areas such as 5G tech, while US corporate R&D spending as a share of GDP has stagnated since the 1970s.

At its core, an economy should organize human effort to enhance societal well-being, reduce toil, and ensure equitable access to necessities. Yet under capitalism, economies are structured to prioritize the enrichment of an investor class whose wealth grows not through productive labor, but through financial speculation and rent-seeking. This systemic distortion, where money begets more money for those already holding capital, divorces economic activity from its original aim of improving human life.

Marx and Smith both identified the working class as the primary driver of productivity and growth. China’s system operationalizes this insight, recognizing that technological advancement depends on skilled labor, collective organization, and state coordination. Xi Jinping’s emphasis on "common prosperity" and "innovation-driven development" aligns with the material reality, ensuring that workers’ skills and state investments in education and infrastructure fuel progress. Western economies, by contrast, devalue labor through wage stagnation and anti-labour policies, eroding the very human capital needed for innovation.

The marginalist framework’s refusal to engage with class analysis or systemic factors has left Western economies ill-equipped to address crises like the 2008 financial crash or the economic disaster that's currently unfolding. By clinging to the myth of the entrepreneurial individual, they ignore the critical roles of state planning, collective investment, and structural equity. That's the key reason why China’s model, centered on material conditions and collective progress, is now visibly surging ahead of the West.

In the end, the West’s technological stagnation underscores the limits of an economic philosophy that privileges ideology over reality. China’s success lies in its ability to align policy with material forces, proving that growth and innovation thrive when economies serve the working majority.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

First, what you failed to address, is that mainstream economics is empirical.

First, I literally linked you a whole book that discusses the empirical failure of mainstream economics. In fact, the book references World Bank and IMF data to show precisely how western economics model fails time and again.

Second, ‘western economic system’ as you put it is not a thing, and even if it were, it is not collapsing, because my wife, family, my city are thriving well here in Eindhoven for many years to come.

Having lived through the collapse of USSR, I can tell you that these things happen very suddenly. One day everything seems normal, and the next you’re fighting for bread so you have something to eat for the next week. Once an inflection point is reached, the unravelling happens at an incredible pace from there on out.

I get why denial runs deep. If your whole life, crises were ‘solved’ and things limped back to ‘normal,’ it’s easy to assume the system’s resilient. But each ‘recovery’ has been a wealth transfer to the top, leaving workers with thinner margins and less capacity to survive the next shock. Today, ever indicator shows that the economic situation in Europe is very bleak.

Ross may be economist in title, but he has not published any research, only blogs and books. This means that his work is not peer reviewed, so no one ought to take him seriously.

Ross rigorously references study after study which are peer reviewed. Nor is Ross the only economist to come to this confusion. Other well known economists such as Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff have been talking about these trends for literally decades now.

All you've done here is a lazy attempt at ad hominem.

Third, your article about the stock market as evidence of your claim to ‘western economic collapse’ is a fundamental misunderstanding of the economy and the stock market. They are not the same, and for example, P/E ratios are certainly not a representative of it. It is only one of the indicators of whether the stock is undervalued or overvalued in comparison to other values. It’s another bear market article, as there are plenty of bull market articles.

That's a straw man that either intentionally or through thorough lack of reading comprehension misrepresents what I actually wrote. My argument was that the market dominates resource allocation within capitalist economies. It is investors who own capital who decide where to invest their capital, and which aspects of the economy are developed.

You don't have to take my word for it though. Jake Sullivan talk famously gave a talk where he admits that the whole free market bullshit they've been promoting can't actually compete with what China is doing. Sullivan plainly says that the American economy lacks public investment, as it did after World War II, and that private investment fails to produce growth in key sectors.

last few decades revealed cracks in those foundations. A shifting global economy left many working Americans and their communities behind.

The People’s Republic of China continued to subsidize at a massive scale both traditional industrial sectors, like steel, as well as key industries of the future, like clean energy, digital infrastructure, and advanced biotechnologies. America didn’t just lose manufacturing—we eroded our competitiveness in critical technologies that would define the future.

He also opined that the market is far from being able to regulate everything, and "in the name of overly simplified market efficiency, entire supply chains of strategic goods, along with the industries and jobs that produced them, were moved abroad."

Another problem he identified is the growth of the financial sector to the detriment of the industrial and infrastructure sectors, which is why many industries "atrophied" and industrial capacities "seriously suffered."

Finally, he admitted that colonization and westernization of countries through globalization has failed:

Much of the international economic policy of the last few decades had relied upon the premise that economic integration would make nations more responsible and open, and that the global order would be more peaceful and cooperative—that bringing countries into the rules-based order would incentivize them to adhere to its rules.

Sullivan cited China as an example:

By the time President Biden came into office, we had to contend with the reality that a large non-market economy had been integrated into the international economic order in a way that posed considerable challenges.

The People’s Republic of China continued to subsidize at a massive scale both traditional industrial sectors, like steel, as well as key industries of the future, like clean energy, digital infrastructure, and advanced biotechnologies. America didn’t just lose manufacturing—we eroded our competitiveness in critical technologies that would define the future.

In his opinion, all this has led to dangerous consequences for the US led hegemony:

And ignoring economic dependencies that had built up over the decades of liberalization had become really perilous—from energy uncertainty in Europe to supply-chain vulnerabilities in medical equipment, semiconductors, and critical minerals. These were the kinds of dependencies that could be exploited for economic or geopolitical leverage.

Today, the United States produces only 4 percent of the lithium, 13 percent of the cobalt, 0 percent of the nickel, and 0 percent of the graphite required to meet current demand for electric vehicles. Meanwhile, more than 80 percent of critical minerals are processed by one country, China.

America now manufactures only around 10 percent of the world’s semiconductors, and production—in general and especially when it comes to the most advanced chips—is geographically concentrated elsewhere.

So, here you go. A plain admission from a top US official that market driven capitalist economy is failing.

Also, countries are discrete by definition.

Nobody argued otherwise. However, countries obviously can adopt shared values and economic models. I see this is a concept you continue to grapple with.

Also you cited Ross claiming that all of Marx’s theories are proven true is also false.

I cited Ross in a very specific context.

We have also accepted Marx’s theories in mainstream economics, but we have evolved past his ideas in the scale of centuries.

Marx's theories continue to form the foundation of the world's largest economy by PPP measure that never suffered capitalist crashes that happen like clockwork in western economies.

If you wish to learn more, I would gladly help setup for you to audit courses for free at the University of Chicago Harris or Saieh, though I would recommend a full PhD programme, but you will need at least 2 years of strong math and stats background with top math scores on the GRE. If you prefer EU, I can help you into Barcelona School of Economics master’s programme through referral with similar requirements as mentioned above. Because after all, they’re empirical programmes.

Why would I wish to know more from the very same institutions that produced an economic model which led to the disaster that is unfolding in the western world. If I wanted to learn more about economics, I'd go to a university in China where there's an actual functional economy.