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Trying to count up the number of people killed by any ideology is, essentially, a nonsense game which can be spun any number of ways and doesn't tell us anything meaningful.
The famines are directly attributable to communism trying some weird agricultural ideas with the goal to be pure of the evil "western imperialism". And people being sent to the gulags or the killing fields because they were suspected of not being ideologically pure, can also be directly attributed to ideology.
You just don't have five year plans to turn an agriculture industry upside down or send people to the killing fields without some ideological extremists thinking their ideology is stronger than science and more important than basic morality.
Well, true. In the case of the great Chinese famine, and arguably the famine in Ukraine & Western Russia, this is a basically accurate description.
But what I'm saying is that this isn't a useful discussion because it can easily be spun different ways. For example someone might point out that a huge number of famine and malnution deaths have also occurred under capitalism, and they may even find a source saying it's higher per capita. It's an incredibly nebulous thing to quantify, but a suitably motivated person can make statistics say anything they want. Are the people dying now in Sudan being killed by 'capitalism' because they're caught in a tug-of-war between capitalist blocs? How many other deaths in all the pointless wars do we add to the total?
You can also easily get lost in the numbers of what deaths count as being caused by the ideology; people are currently dying in Cuba as a more-or-less direct result of Trump's fuel and trade blockade, but many would (quite disingenuously) argue that this is the fault of the Cuban government. If even a small number of deaths are included in the count which have a dubious claim to be caused by ideology, these can be seized upon to delegitimise the claim of all of them. The 100M figure including the deaths of Nazi soldiers on the eastern front is an example of this.
All of this distracts from why these people died. As you said, famines are not natural and are almost always caused by human activity, whether that's poor agricultural policy, social conflict, mismanagement of natural resources, poor trade policy, or deliberate starvation. Usually, this is combined with natural events such as drought, floods, earthquakes etc. which push things to breaking point.
Famines that occured in communist and capitalist systems had a range of causes, and blanketing political attempts to attribute them to leftwing or rightwing ideas are unhelpful and will not help prevent them from happening again. It's just a big unproductive pissing match with no conclusion and no respect for the people who died.