*Western AI companies are terrified

Anyway, what do you all think of the news?

Video is 8 minutes and 30 seconds long if you're interested.

Is it true that the DeepSeek models and that other AI model (I forgot the name already lol) can be run locally? How do they compete with Claude and OpenAI?

Also, what about that other AI thing, OpenClaw?

I am interested in AI but still very much skeptical.

I have only used Duck AI sometimes but try to avoid it.

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[–] 8 points 2 months ago* (11 children)

DeepSeek V4 flash is feasiblish to run it personally. A minipc costing $3000 can do a working quantization, two such computers can run what is in practice a full model. You could even run a (weak but working) quantization of GLM5.2 in this configuration.

What you get running models this way is control over what exactly runs (you never know how aggresively quantized are models running with API, for example) and possibility of running anything that fits (e.g. models with refusals removed with methods like heretic).

What you lose is that you need to buy special hardware for thousands of dollars (which might or might not age well) and loading prompt (including the history of conversation) can be really slow compared to what bigger machines that host models for many users can achieve. Loading past context of 100,000s tokens takes actual minutes while using the same model through API will feel instant.

It shows how important is for people to own the datacenters. Running model on bigger hardware for multiple people is much more efficient than running it on personal hardware.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    A minipc costing $3000 can do a working quantization, two such computers can run what is in practice a full model...

    Would you able to please spec such a PC?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    https://www.bosgamepc.com/products/bosgame-m5-ai-mini-desktop-ryzen-ai-max-395 it's still below $3K. It's not the optimal Strix Halo variant if you want to cluster a few of them though (you still can use thunderbolt in this one to connect it to another one).

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Thank you! I had no idea!

    (I was curious - wanted to have an idea what would be considered feasible these days but personally would rather pay for the tokens if needed as you suggested. I am however going to use the specs of the models you suggested to learn more about how AI works in such a machine)

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