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Motorola has a Graphene phone coming out soonTM. Else just buy a non-Google Android phone.
Do you have any idea how hard these are to get on most of the planet?
Android phones...?
Degloogled ones
LineageOS exists and can be installed on most androids in a day.
Yeah but the OP talked about buying a non Googled Android and centainly this service is limited.
Also, only a few selected ROMs support VoLTE. Sure, you still can install the ROM but your phone won't make calls, unless the area is covered by legacy 2G. Most carriers will require VoLTE to unlock the SIM, tho.
I mean, they said "non Google" which is different from degoogled because the former just means Google didn't make it.
what's blocking someone in your situation from buying something from the likes of murena or installing lineage yourself?
$. It doesn't grow on trees
but installing it yourself is free
I was honestly disappointed when they said it's going to be a high-end phone costing over 1000€.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/08/motorolas-grapheneos-phones-will-launch-in-2027-priced-higher-than-pixels/
Google makes a huge amount of money from Android though so I’m curious to see what Motorola is cooking
You could always install AOSP-based ROMs (LineageOS, /e/, etc.) on those non-Google Android phones. Google doesn't really make any money from those (if you avoid Gapps).
If you want to avoid Android and iOS altogether, you're going to be disappointed with Motorola as well, because they'll keep using Android (which, just like the other ROMs, GrapheneOS is based on), leaving you with basically just Linux-based operating systems like postmarketOS, Ubuntu Touch or Sailfish OS.
Like Huawei and China are any better than the US companies.
Right now there are almost no options not linked to some major political movement or crime against humanity.
So it would be best to choose the option that gives you the most freedom to avoid government and corporate overreach after purchase. Where it is developed or manufactured is less important compared to that.
You make it sound like china and US are the same level of bad. When US+Israel are currently doing a televised genocide. Chinese AI models are the reason why most of the world are even able to run efficient AI model on their own devices. Chinese EVs are making electric cars more affordable. Chinese companies are leading the solar adoption. Chinese ram manufacturers are breaking up RAM monopoly. Chinese companies are also making sodium ion batteries mainstream.
Sure china is not free of any wrong doing but comparatively, they are not as bad as US.
And if you wanna avoid both china and USA then you also have fairphone on which you can install calyx, e/OS, or lineage.
Yes China is a million times better in terms of human rights than Israel
Tell that to the Uyngers and Tibitans.
It looks different from the Palestinian genocide, in that rather than straight bombing and stealing land, China focuses more on mass interment and re-education, forced sterilization and forced labour.
Just like the US and Israel, China is being ruled by capitalist Oligarchs that will commit genocide to gain and control resources.
There's no Uighur genocide, you Radio Free Asia listener.
You sound like a Israeli propagandist talking about Palestine.
The UN has recognized both as genocides as the evidence is sufficient.
The UN was about to punish Iran on its PACIFIC nuclear program like, this week. 🤦♂️
Western fabricated consent is a helluva drug.
The UN says there were rapes on October 7 which has been fully debunked.
Just because they said something bad about Israel once after 3 years you think they're impartial? They're about as pro-Western as you can possibly get
What happen to the uygur and tibitans is terrible but nothing compared to Gaza where the goal is complete physical extermination of palestinians from the river to the sea
"Million" sure.
It's better no doubt, but you're still trading one devil for another.
The same tired two-sides-of-same-coin rhetoric.
My dude, the US has/had: native genocide, race based segregation, concentration camps, decimation of the Vietnamese, Koreans, Iraqis, Afghans, Iranians, Lybians, Somalis, backed up multiple jihads around Africa and Asia, received a lot of Nazis from the WWII and has their own pet genocidal Israelis, was responsible for multiple military coups, another genocide in Indonesia, is starving Cuba, and so on. Also two atomic bombs in the resume.
America is Satan through and through. Stop being disingenuous. Or are you also a monster?
Its important to understand what motivates that level of barbarity. Its not the nation or its people, its capitalist greed through Oligarchy. For all its image of freedoms, it has always been freedom of the powerfull to exploit the weak.
Its the age old story of empires. They are all built on exploitation. US empire, Soviet Empire, British Empire, Chinese Empire, Caliphates, Roman, Greek, Ottomans, Israeli. The moment a small group of greedy individuals gain sufficient power over the masses in a society, they employ it to exploit people.
If we want a better world, we need to stop giving small groups of people executive power. Party politics, organized religion, monarchy's, corporations, they all need to go.
Why are you talking to me in platitudes? Are you a liberal? Most probably, I see a .world there. Firstly: everyone is equally bad is a discourse that only tries to absolve the shitty ones around YOU. That's the great monster to defeat right now, you dishonest prick. Not only the greedy ones around you, also the petty ones around you, and your complacent relatives and neighborhood. Secondly: we WHO? Take your fat ass outside to make a difference, the change you want to see, then maybe there you can find a we.
Everyone is not equally bad, I have not stated that. Liberals are why we are in the current mess. They are naive and overly tolerant of the evils of the world. They make the right sounds, but their actions are insufficient.
Agree, we can all do more and we should. Let's just make sure we target the right things. Make sure we are archers and not just other people's arrows.
So, a psyop. Okay. Bye.
You can choose between unlimited genocide on the third world or copyright theft and some civil rights struggles.
Seems like a pretty clear lesser evil to me.