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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 38 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Setting aside a tiny fraction of people who -- as Diane points out in the article -- make their living farming outrage, does anyone actually care about a gay character on Star Trek in the year 2026?

Also, I assume that many of the Klingons we've seen on Star Trek over the years were gay. I think he's just the first Klingon which was identified to the audience as gay.

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I care. It’s pretty cool.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Same. And Diané absolutely rocks the character. A+ acting.

[–] Dr_Fetus_Jackson@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Agreed. An engaging character that, like Star Trek is oft wont to do, has an interesting arc that challenges the status quo and pushes for understanding.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

does anyone actually care about a gay character on Star Trek in the year 2026?

According to Karim's recent AMA here, yes, a lot. I'm old but I have to imagine it's a lot harder being a queer kid in 2026 than it was a decade ago!

Also, I assume that many of the Klingons we’ve seen on Star Trek over the years were gay. I think he’s just the first Klingon which was identified to the audience as gay.

Also yes, the headline makes it clear this is Star Trek's first gay Klingon. Not the Klingon species' first gay.

does anyone actually care about a gay character on Star Trek in the year 2026?

Well, yes - plenty of people care about, and celebrate, representation.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

"A Russian in a USS ship? This cannot be"

"A bald captain? This cannot be"

"A woman captain? This cannot be"

...

The same people that said Tilly didn't belong in ST because weight are the same that say people in STA are too good looking. Choose one side, people. Either "no non perfect people" or "no beautiful people", not both.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wait, people think Tilly is fat??

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Mary Wiseman is fat. [1] [2] Not obese, but overweight. It's okay to acknowledge reality and not make fun of her for it. I don't see why we need to gaslight people about being overweight. We can all see she's overweight. This is such a silly hill to die on.

[–] exaybachae@startrek.website 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

She may have actually qualified as obese at times, as there's an actual medical classification.

I don't think that's likely to be the case in that second photo you shared, she does have a heavy build in general, but there have been times since being on ST when she likely did qualify.

IIRC, obese is anything over a specific rage of BMI or BFP, whichever you use. So if a healthy BMI for you is 18-25 and you are 30 then you are obese.

I'm not a pro, so I'm not sure about the hard details, but the point I'm making is that obese isn't a personal opinion of looks too fat. A person doesn't necessarily even need to look it, but they could still qualify.

My SO looks fine at 30, but not much above that. I think they're sitting at 28 currently.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

To muddy the waters, being overweight exists somewhere between healthy and obese, and there isn't a clear definition. So there is definitely subjectivity involved. But I think that when someone toes the line of obesity, they can absolutely be classified as overweight.

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I like how he rocks the skirt, I'm glad SFA finally resolved the skirt thing by having absolute gender chaos.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Worf: I do not see why it is necessary to wear these... ridiculous uniforms.

Riker: Protocol.

Worf: They look like dresses.

Riker: That is an incredibly outmoded and sexist attitude! I'm surprised at you. Besides, you look good in a dress.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's true in theory, but TNG still had a gender imbalance in who chooses to wear what under normal circumstances. And of course there's Berman's sexism with Troi's clothes. SFA has complete gender equality with regards to clothes.

(But we can still talk about how Darem and Genesis are very similar characters, but act very differently because of gender socialisation. Caleb and Tarima also have lots of gender socialisation going on)

[–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Was there ever an explanation for why Troi was always dressed for jazzercize? She was a regular Starfleet officer, wasn't she?

[–] hallettj@leminal.space 12 points 6 days ago

All we know is that Jellico swooped in and saved the day!

I guess there is sort of an implication in Chain of Command that Troi chose to wear a "non-standard uniform" until Jellico ordered her to change. He says, "I prefer a certain... formality on the bridge. I'd appreciate if you wear a standard uniform." I've just done a TNG rewatch, and I'm pretty sure there is no other in-universe explanation given.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Doylist: Berman was a fatphobic piece of shit who told her to lose weight before she could wear the uniform.

Watsonian: She had a special exemption to wear those clothes because of her culture and job. We actually see the same with Dr Migleemo. It appears to be tradition that counsellors and therapists wear less formal clothing to set their patients at ease.

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 4 points 5 days ago

Doylist: Berman was a fatphobic piece of shit who told her to lose weight before she could wear the uniform.

Don't forget that he was also a misogynist!

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 6 points 6 days ago

Her official role was ship’s councilor, so I’d guess it was to make people feel more at ease and less like they’re talking about their issues to an officer. But mostly - Rick Berman.

[–] exaybachae@startrek.website 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

She's the ships counselor, who at any moment may need to have deeply personal and unofficial private conversations with anyone in need. Those discussions are officially informal. Thus she maintains a casual professional appearance.

It's not jazzersize, it's public lounge wear, she is at ease to help aid her clients ability to transition to an at ease state.

While doing official duty on the bridge it is appropriate for her to dress in uniform, but those duties tended to be momentary, not planned, so a wardrobe change would've been an odd choice.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

That wasn't dressing for jazzercise; this was dressing for jazzercise!

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 1 points 5 days ago

This is one of several scenes that I bet the actors never expected to be released in 1080p....

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Depends what platform you're on. Facebook? Omfg. They think the whole series is worth abandoning because of the "woke" agenda. Even though ST has been woke since 1960.

Personally, I don't give a fuck. Kind of like in a game. If a character turns out gay, then so be it. I have no emotion towards it. Overall Academy is a fun series. Just finished the Stars episode with The Doctor and Sam. Fantastic episode. Looking forward to cleaning up the first season

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 5 points 6 days ago

A lot of people didn't give a fuck about Uhura being on the bridge, but that is not a reason to NOT include her character on the bridge. Just because you don't consider yourself bigoted does not mean that gay characters should not be celebrated for breaking new ground.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 6 days ago

I prefer every player-romanceable character in video games to be bi. If an NPC is monosexual, they should go date another NPC. If a character is ace, then there's no problem. But I don't like monosexual characters that date one player character but not the other.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago

No offense, but at least match the skin tone of the gum forehead.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hmm, funny how the first gay male Klingon merits a whole article, but Reno and #1 being happily in love in the same show raises no eyebrows

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 5 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Stop with the whattaboutism. First of all, it's literally an interview with the actor about their character.

Secondly, declaring that articles about queer characters can only be allowed to exist if they include some unrelated "both sides" criteria is a clear attempt to silence queer voices.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Alright well thank you for the quick and harsh reply. I maintain that it seems a bit disingenuous and somewhat poor journalism to interview someone about a very specific aspect of a character, like first in history, and completely fail to mention that someone from the exact same species has the exact same character aspect in the exact same show

If by saying they should SAY MORE you think I’m making an attempt to silence, then Kirk I have no fuckin clue what you think attempting to amplify looks like.

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