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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

No matter what you say there will be complaints.

[–] Flemmy@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

I refer to them as laaaaydeeeees

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

Honest question from a non native: what is wrong with the term female?

And what word could you use for the sex girls and women are part of where people wouldn't imagine you look like a space neolib?

[–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 37 minutes ago

Non-native as well but for me, "female" is an adjective and only used as a noun in technical setting. If used in regular conversation setting, it's condescending and dehumanizing.

Good:

  • There are fifteen females in the survey.
  • The female is more aggressive, typical of hyenas.
  • You bought the wrong USB cable, this one is a female.

Bad:

  • This female is not very good at her job.
  • You females need to tone it down.
[–] MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 1 points 48 minutes ago

I’ll be real here: no one irl cares, we’re so careless with our language people understand what you mean more by vibes than vocabulary. I’ve not heard a single person take umbrage with female outside of the internet.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Female is still an acceptable term in some context: eg, when referring to the social group on a societal level, female can be fine, also for identifying someone's genetic/biological sex as "female" for medical/official contexts, that's still okay in most cases.

Where it's not okay is to use it on an individual level or to refer to a small group of ladies. The term is seem as cold, clinical, and in some cases, dehumanizing. It comes off as boiling down a person to their function in reproduction and nothing more. "You are the female and you carry children." Kind of thing. Like women are some kind of bakery for your crotch goblins, and not people worthy of respect.

But something like "the female population of the country" is fairly okay, since you're referring to the entirely of the people who identify as female, not an individual or small group of individuals.

At least, that's my take. I'm just some guy. If any women want to correct me, I defer to your judgement and opinion, and happily retract any contradictory statements I may have made. I am always happy to be corrected.

[–] Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay I understand.

So "books with female protagonists" would be okay (because large group referenced) "Bus with female passengers" would be considered rude, because small group referenced, you would rather say "Bus with women and girls as passengers" ?

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

More or Less. I would think of it more as a third person direct versus indirect. Third person direct being: referring to a specific set of people, eg, they're in the room with you, where calling them females would be rude... Third person indirect, where you're mentioning the concept of that group of people while not citing a specific or present subset of that group, would be rude.

You've made some good examples. Overall I think you understand the concept I was trying to get across.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Short answer: It's a turn of phrase the Incel movement popularized as a dehumanizing dogwhistle.

Long answer: In current American English, "Female" and "Females" are highly formal terms and really are only commonly used in situations like law and academic discourse (this is true of "male" and "males" as well, though there's much less cultural baggage associated with those terms). People who use them in casual conversation instead of the much more common "Women" (or the diminutive, "Girls") tend to be the kind of person that uses formal language to emphasize their own intellectual superiority over the common masses, and in particular all the women who won't have sex with them. In fact and almost invariably, this is presented in the form of explanations about why nobody wants to have sex with them, and the cultural forces that are causing it, and why deep down it's the women's fault they can't get a date, and it just all goes downhill from there.

edit: clarity

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 hours ago

You're just encouraging me to refer to women as "females" with this.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I recently watched The Orville, and immediately think of the Moclans and their Ultra-Misogyny

[–] Pinklink@lemm.ee 42 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I was once explaining to someone how a group of my family is part of a “religion” which is really a cult. I was saying how females (being inclusive of the adult women and young girls) in this cult have no body autonomy and how fucked up it is. I was interrupted to be informed that the term female should not be used. They interrupted my explanation of how my fucking family member is being forced to get pregnant over and over, how the girls are being treated like property or pets, because correcting my use of the word female was more important. I will never forget or forgive this moment. I hope this anecdote highlights priorities for everyone that has such a strong opinion about this. Also, I imagine if I wasn’t male, this would have been a nonissue. I don’t know about anyone else, but I actually do want equality. Double standards are outdated.

[–] Bunnylux@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Context is important. In your case, you're using female to designate a biological characteristic - aka, a reproductive ability that the cult is specifically exploiting. Some men, especially online, use "female" in a way where normally someone would use the term "woman", in an attempt to dehumanize women. It's unfortunate that the person you were talking to couldn't tell the difference, but as for never forgiving them, maybe a gentle correction could be more warranted?

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago
[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

Honestly, a handsome specimen of the Ferengi species. I hear he was even the Grand Nagus briefly. And look at those lobes.

[–] jojowakaki@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Cool it over there. I look like that but I don't call women females. That was very unwarranted.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Not fair to the military veterans.

They got "That's not a woman, it's a female soldier" drilled into them.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

"Female" is fine as an adjective. It's when it's used as a noun that it becomes a problem. But that's not a new rule or anything.

Consider when someone says "Black people" vs "the Blacks".

[–] mle86@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That may be but if they would shorten "female soldier", wouldn't they refer to her as "a soldier" and not "a female"?

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, we heard "that is just a soldier" as well. They just didn't like the terms lady or woman, you had to use "female".

[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

it's an adjective, not a noun. but I hear it everywhere, mostly on newscasts and other broadcasts. so I just call em 'broads' (/s)

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago

You can't call chicks 'broads' anymore, its not civilized. (/s)

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[–] Depress_Mode@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

No stupid questions time: This kind of lurks in the back of my mind and I sometimes find myself hesitating to use the term "female" to refer to female figures in any context. I don't have to do that, right? Like, would "woman lawyer" be better than "female lawyer" in contexts where specifying gender might be relevant? I would conversely prefer the term "male lawyer" in the same context and "man lawyer" sounds just as odd to me as "woman lawyer". "Lawyer who is a woman" is a little verbose, too. Am I overthinking this?

[–] MisterMoo@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry but “woman” is not an adjective and its use that way is grating. You wouldn’t say “man teacher” and it sounds wrong. So does “woman lawyer” or “woman voter.”

The neckbeard/incel thing is using “female” when “woman” would be acceptable and more common, like “look at these females” or something. It doesn’t mean we have to abolish the word “female” entirely from the lexicon.

[–] Depress_Mode@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that seems to align nicely with the instincts I outlined in my comment. No need to apologize. Thanks!

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My personal rule is female adjective is okay, female noun is not.

[–] Depress_Mode@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From what I googled, it's especially bad when you pair "man" and "female" together, which makes sense to me.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago

Best be safe and call them "girl lawyer"

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[–] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

"You let them wear clothes?"

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes that's the issue, if you use them inconsistently. Males, females. Men, women. Same for boys, girls actually. Saying boys and women or men and girls can seem belittling to the other.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

I consistently used males and females in some contexts but I've noticed that it often still comes across as weird when talking about humanoids.

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