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Someone finally decided to sue the fediverse via karmacourt, and it's no surprise who it is (www.reddit.com)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca
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And it seems karmacourt will be the first to posit that the fediverse is worth "putting in its place", going by the upvotes in such an empty community that probably discourages those kinds of suits.

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[–] Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Context for those unaware:

"A friend of mine" OP is referring to Call Me Leni, who was banned from several instances and communities for being a KiwiFarms member, among other things, and OP has a grudge against the Fediverse for this. Leni shouldn't have linked their KiwiFarms posts on Lemmy, and linked Lemmy threads talking about them on their KiwiFarms account. That wasn't very bright of them.

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Call me Leni also defended KiwiFarms as a "free speech" site and tried to conflate the hate site with Discord:

I take it OP feels like the Fediverse is violating "free speech" for banning KiwiFarms members.

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not her. We went over this in my last post you visited. You are just stalking at this point. What grudge do you have against me anyways? Is it not clear we are talking about a common subject?

As for the rest, anyone can click a link within a link.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is fucking hysterical. You realize the person you're replying to didn't say you were Call Me Leni? You denying it without accusation like that is uh... not a great look!

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This shit's hilarious. They're so deep in the "just asking for a friend" trope, that they get defensive pre-emptively, therefore giving up the game.

I will say for sure, Leni sure does a lot of random "friends" who routinely pop up on the same social media she hangs out in, to defend her with a massive amount of insider knowledge. I barely get my friends to even look at memes on fediverse I sent them :D. Leni has the most obsessive and dedicated "friends" in the world, I'll tell ya.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It is way, way past my bedtime, and my meds wore off, so out of curiosity I clicked through to the link on Reddit again and...

Yeah there's no way that the user who submitted this to 'court' isn't the same fucking person. I'm going to quote a post they made to /r/Lemmy. I don't recommend trying to read it, but if you do... yeah they're all the same person. I'm done playing nice about it. See if this doesn't read in the exact same terrible, unreadable way:

"For those of you who don't know, there was an act of terror that was on the news a few days ago where the perpetrator happened to be a Lemmy World mod, and everyone is talking about it due to this (and then another act of terror that happened in the same span of time where the perpetrator wasn't a mod but where the guy expressed support for a certain guy Lemmy loves loud and clear, which one might say makes site morals look bad). The site has been known to ban anyone who supports Musk's rhetoric as well as anyone who is registered with KF as many will always be willing to being up for ages, but what about this new evolving rhetoric? Trump is in office and just barely saved Tiktok.

On behalf of a few instances, I have been asked if you all might defederate Lemmy World, even though I have been hesitant until now to even bring it up. To me at least, I'm sure most people are going to say "apologists > murderers" as would make sense."

First of all, no one is asking this individual to represent their instance, let alone a few instances. Second, the top comment to that is literally identical to the top comments on almost everything this person writes:

"I'm confused as what you're trying to say. I tried to follow the links, but that didn't make it clearer, either."

Godspeed, /u/triangularRectum420. You represent us all today.

And CraigOhMyEggo copped a ban from Santabot on slrpnk for being an alt of Leni. That's enough for me.

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The solarpunk bot banned me for a DM. None of us here are one person. If this is you playing nice, I'd be curious to know what your mean side looks like.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They literally said

I'm done playing nice about it.

in the comment you replied too?

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago

That's indeed what he said.

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

and OP has a grudge against the Fediverse for this.

I take it OP feels like the Fediverse is violating “free speech” for banning KiwiFarms members.

Uh, yes he did. And he has made that accusation in the past.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I don't care about an accusation made in the past. I was responding to you denying an accusation that wasn't made in this post. You were denying it without accusation here. You can't, and shouldn't, expect the readers in this thread to be aware of any conversations you've had in the past, and if you're going to defend against those, it should either be made clear that they weren't made here, or you should defend against those comments where they were made.

Because, in absence of that claim here, as I said, you're defending against an accusation that wasn't made here.

Eta: You copped a ban from Santa on slrpnk.net for being an alt of CallMeLeni, so that uh... seems to lend it some credence.

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Simple comprehension error. Someone corrected me. Not even the point.

The solarpunk bot banned me for a DM.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Love the petty bullshit of all your replies to me telling you off, which were correct, including links to the same comment where someone says I could've made my point clearer.

Congrats. You found one person who says your reading comprehension might be understandable, out of the entirety of the rest of the commenters here, who all tell you to stop with your bullshit crusade.... and your reaction is to passive-aggressively try and shoehorn their one comment into every single other thing you reply to me with.

I'm going to tell you, even though you refuse to listen- "engagement" isn't a metric of success. If 300 people tell you to shut up, that isn't 300 new friends. That's "you are wrong," writ large. And since you don't understand this either, on any of these other posts you make- people stopping replying to you also doesn't somehow make your points true. It just means you're more exhausting than entertaining.

This is to just to say, I'm done here. I'm going to go back to blissfully ignoring you until your next bullshit move to try and defend Leni, at which point I'll probably link whatever new folks are stumbling on your ongoing nonsense to this thread. Or any others. Goodbye. Enjoy your meaningless reply. I won't be answering it.

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago

If "engagement" isn't a metric of success, why do you maintain the numbers of people telling me to shut up is a metric of the need to be quiet? Especially when my only intent here was to share something I thought would fit the community, not to "crusade"? If 95% of the people in dbzer0 are those who will feel angst over every little thing, by your logic, does that make it a bad community? Because I can see through yours.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh, of COURSE that's the user they're complaining got banned. The Nazi troll with a thousand alts on a dozen sites, all speaking in the same voice to defend her, who has been discussed on this very sub over and over and over. Honestly, I guessed, even before seeing the username in the mod logs.

When an entire multiverse of websites tells you to fuck off, why would you even want to stay?

[–] Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just looked at OP's recent post history, and they seem to be concern trolling about if "transracial" identities will be covered under Feddit.uk's transphobia guidelines. https://lemmy.wtf/post/22009472/14897093

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not concern trolling simply to ask. I was asking based on the fact they mentioned rushing through the process as they were short on time.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, and those buckets of cat litter surely are for furry students, right?! It's not concern trolling if I'm simply asking questions.

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

An honest question is an honest question no matter how stupid it might sound.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Not if it's someone parroting absolutely assinine propaganda. At some point, you have to ask yourself what things should be believed.

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She probably sees the number of fediverse participants that banned her as a drop in the bucket (not that it isn't, the fediverse is huge) and takes advantage of the fact that the communities that are supposed to have banned her are technically still functional to her. She made a vent way back where she said it couldn't have been a true ban due to this and because the TOS was never violated.

The lawsuit though is (supposedly) by a different person who says the two of them maintain the motives for the bans to be false. The upvotes in Karmacourt (which is otherwise mostly a dead community) signify they don't put it past the fediverse.

[–] Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

When you're instance banned and try to post to a community that is going to an instance you're banned from it will appear as if you're posting in that community like normal, but the post won't federate. Only users native to their instance will be able to see the posts (in Leni's case, only lemm.ee users can see those posts). Let's say you're instance banned from lemmy.world. You could seemingly post to a lemmy.world community on a lemm.ee account, but the post won't actually show up for lemmy.world users.

are technically still functional to her

Leni's still banned. I don’t know why you seem so insistent on trying to say they aren’t. You don't seem to understand how federation works.

https://lemmy.world/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

https://lemmy.ca/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

https://lemmy.ml/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

https://sopuli.xyz/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

https://feddit.uk/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

https://lemmy.cafe/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee

http://beehaw.org/u/shinigamiookamiryuu

Leni attempted to post in a Beehaw community. Leni is instance-banned from Beehaw. This post isn't visible to anyone on the Beehaw instance. In fact, the post isn't even on Beehaw, it was posted on lemm.ee.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

[Sorry for the double comment]

Disclaimers: I'm aware that I might have an incomplete picture of the situation. As such take what I say with a grain of salt, and do call me out if I say something that is bullshit. Also, I'd rather not take intentions into account.

With that out of the way: Kiwi Farms is a cesspool, and I think that Leni should take this whole situation as a wake up call.

That site doesn't just "happen" to contain harassment; it exists for harassment, even if Leni claims otherwise. It is not for "an angle of freedom of speech". And even if she's just there for some popcorn, or to discuss random stuff, clowns only perform where there's an audience clapping and laughing at their stunts. I don't know if she actively harassed someone, but she's still condoning it. It's still bad.

And, like, I know popcorn is fun, but this sort of site is better treated as "don't touch it". GIF related:
Video of a cute cat insistently touching some fish on a pot. Contains some pseudo-dialogue, as if the cat was saying "touch tha fishy" and a human "nope, no touchy fishy".
[I'm posting this to lighten the mood.]

And linking the Fediverse in KF is even worse. The Fediverse hosts lots of disempowered people, often from marginalised groups. Linking it there is the same as saying "hey guys! Here's a barn full of lolcows!". Don't - those people have enough shit to deal with, you're only making it worse for them.

So, while I personally don't hold any strong opinion for/against Leni, I do think those instance admins did the right thing - they're protecting their users.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The fact that they're suing "the Fediverse" as if it was a monolithic entity is real funny.

[–] Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, the whole point of the Fediverse is it's decentralized. Each instance has its own independent administrators so if you come across an instance you don't like, you can just post to another one. Lemmy isn't just one site but hundreds of sites that communicate together.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Why did I know it was Lenislop before I even opened the link?

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

I have a friend of a friend that said you’re an alt of Leni.

It’s not me though, it’s a real friend that exists.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hope the Plaintiff knows that the Karma Court is just for the lolz?

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I read the first sentence and think that maybe they were doing it to lowkey show that the non-fediverse world (according to them) sees through the fediverse's claims and motives as dishonest, not so much to sue the fediverse. In other words, a reverse-Streisand, similar to running for office and backing out for the publicity.

If true, the upvotes would suggest their plan is working.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Eh, its only 7 upvotes and only a small amount of comments, so if it was an attempt of smearing the fediverse they failed right on their stupid face.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

a game of Chinese whispers

Most people would have called it "Telephone."

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And literally no one gave a single shit

[–] CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Someone must've considering the engagement for it.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

C-SPAN in the middle of the night when Congress isn’t in session gets more engagement than that post.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Chinese whispers

Well that's a new term for me. Sounds... Wildly racist lol

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, it's genuinely considered quite racist these days.