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Easy Bus routes (in Web editor) ? (lemmy.ca)

submitted 2 months ago by iuvi@lemmy.ca to c/openstreetmap@lemmy.ml

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Hi!

If there any guide how i can add bus route on OSM (in Web version of editor) ?

Seems now it's quite complicated and yet there no plans to make it simpler in Web interface?

If it would be like: you push "create route (bus or whatever)" -> choose road and select bus stops on it one way. Also, you do same from end stop to backward

Really hope developers could do that favor 📿

Thanks

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[–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The workflow of creating bus routes is very similar to what you discribe in JOSM.

Personal opinion: I think we shouldn't map bus routes manually for multiple reasons:

Modern public transport companies publish their GTFS feeds usually with a compatible license. There are projects going on to import them to OSM or to combine them in end user applications. There are a lot of usable examples for the latter already, e.g. https://transitous.org/
They are hard to verify on the ground, you have to travel on the bus in question to make sure it actually uses that street, not the next one, if there is no bus stop nearby.
Long relations are prone to bork themself. Just check the invalid bus routes on osmi, most of them have a gap, they are hard to fix and maintain. Just zoom in anywhere: https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=pubtrans_routes&lon=16.33692&lat=39.75409&zoom=2&baselayer=Geofabrik+Standard&overlays=ptv2_routes_invalid%2Cptv2_error_ways%2Cptv2_error_nodes copy patste the link if it's not working: https://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=pubtrans_routes&lon=16.33692&lat=39.75409&zoom=2&baselayer=Geofabrik+Standard&overlays=ptv2_routes_invalid%2Cptv2_error_ways%2Cptv2_error_nodes

[–] iuvi@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you are speaking about "West world" countrys - yes, maybe there they provide info, but there are other part of planet where it needed to be done manualy

[–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Another project collecting GTFS feeds is transit.land. You can find a lot of non-Western countries there: https://www.transit.land/places

The point is, nowadays everywhere in the world they already use some software for the management of public transport. It would help more if you would write to the local public transport companies and ask them to publish their timetables in the standard, machine readable format.

[–] InsertUser@en.osm.town 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

@infeeeee

IMHO PTv1 is much more practical. If you see a bus or a bus stop on a road then you know you can add it to the relation and the whole route will gradually get completed over time.

With 'v2 you have to guess which of the (at least) two different relations you need to add it to unless you can get close enough to the stop to read the tiny text on the timetable (if it even has one), so you can't even do both sides of the road at once.

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[–] thomas@friendica.tomforge.de 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@iuvi
What does exist is OSM Relatify, but its README lists creating new relations as planned rather than fully supported.

github.com/Zaczero/osm-relatif…

[–] InsertUser@en.osm.town 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

@thomas
You can create a dummy route in iD with just the start and endpoints and a single bit of way and then improve it from there with Relatify.

I do find Relatify frustrating though. It only lets you save things that are perfect and unless you're copying from an official source you're unlikely to have every last detail at your fingertips.

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[–] iuvi@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Thanks, i tryed it , and it was unsucessful. Maybe developers find a time to do smth like Relatify in Web-editor of their version