He's not wrong. ubi can literally never happen under capitalism.
this post was submitted on 07 Jun 2025
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He'd better think again, because if most people lose their jobs and can't put food on the table, they'll reach for the pitchforks. And then the smug psychopathic kleptocrats who make those statements will wish they had implemented UBI just before getting whacked.
Nah, they'll never have that realization. At least most of them won't. They're too dense and prideful of their own hateful dogma.
I think you're mostly right about these people most of the time, but I also think the sensation of being put in The Peeler will make a believer of anyone
Poverty is a man made construct and only exists because we all allow it to
"...but keep plugging away making AI and robots for those of us that have money you fucking peasants."
If AI takes all the jobs and there's no universal basic income, everyone's new job becomes "freedom fighter"/"terrorist" depending on your leanings.
Eat the rich. Tastes like cake
I was a manufacturing engineer for 7 years. The plant I last worked in had lines with 40+ machines per worker. It was heavily automated. Automation has been increasing since the industrial revolution started. But it's only a mainstream concern when it's white collar jobs at risk. Amazon increasingly automating it's fulfillment centers for the last decade doesn't make the news.
Don't take this as me being supportive of AI or critical of UBI. Neither are true. I just think it's telling us who matters in our society. A tech company laying off people gets widely discussed here. The first plant I worked in closed down in order to expand the more automated sister plant. 500 people lost their jobs to that and the people in my town didn't even know or really care.
I think you could start a decent riot with 500 people
Wouldn't happen for several reasons. This was a small, shitty, southern town. The reason this town had manufacturing was because of tax breaks. Education officials actually met with some of our management to ask what would make their students better workers. Class consciousness was the furthest thing from feasibility.
Also, the way the shutdown was done spread out the impact. The facility was originally 3 buildings with several stages of the manufacturing vertically integrated. Over ~5 years they outsourced those prior stages to outside suppliers and slowly shut down lines until only one building was still in use. By the time the announcement was made, we only had maybe 200 employees and the plant would slowly wind down over 1.5 years with a few people getting a buy out and some getting paid more to stay to the end. If it was one big moment, maybe the people would've felt the impact.
Also, this was a "right to work" state. Aka, unions are banned statewide.
There are ways around that so they're are no cash transfers. Let's say we give evey citizen emissions rights each month, that allows you to release a certain amount of CO2 (and other stuff). We've got AI and automation for measuring, accounting and detecting cheating. If you're rich and want to fly that private jet, buy emission rights for it, from people that have some unused.
From there on it's just the market taking over. Live frugal and clean means you got yourself an income. Love to travel to the other side of the planet every weekend? Pay up. And it keeps pollution in check.