Presidents and their wars : memes

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

wym no wars? they fought the war against poverty and won

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 6 days ago

Right, USA also wage this war, and also wars on terror and drugs, but USA are on the side of poverty, terror and drugs.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Biden didn't just arm Ukraine, he basically directly involved the US in that conflict. By giving satellite intel, targeting data, planning for offensives and routes to avoid AD, logistics, training, virtually everything came from the Americans and the Europeans except for the bodies thrown into the combat. Even to call it a proxy war is almost an understatement. And Trump is continuing to do the exact same.

Same for enabling the Gaza genocide. They don't just give bombs and weapon systems. The US and Europeans all fly spy planes over Gaza and use their satellites to give the Zionist entity intel that enables them to target doctors and journalists, strike hospitals, food and water supplies, and commit countless other war crimes. This is their genocide as much as it is the "Israelis'".

[–] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Man, it is so pixelated. Any chance you can find a higher resolution one?

Edit: I mean that I cannot read the US president wars

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 6 days ago

oh here

US Presidents and Their Wars
    RONALD REAGAN
        Gulf of Sidra Encounter
        Multinational Intervention in Lebanon
        Invasion of Grenada
        Action in the Gulf of Sidra
        Bombing of Libya
        Tanker War
        Tobruk Encounter

    GEORGE H. W. BUSH
        Invasion of Panama
        Gulf War
        Iraq No-Fly Zone Enforcement Operations
        First U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War
        Bosnian War

    BILL CLINTON
        Intervention in Haiti
        Kosovo War
        Operation Infinite Reach

    GEORGE W. BUSH
        War in Afghanistan
        2003 Invasion of Iraq
        Iraq War
        War in North-West Pakistan
        Second U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War

    BARACK OBAMA
        Operation Ocean Shield
        International Intervention in Libya
        Operation Observant Compass
        American-led Intervention in Iraq
        American-led Intervention in Syria
        Yemen Civil War
        American Intervention in Libya

    DONALD TRUMP
        More US Troops in Iraq
        US Troops Occupy Northern Syria
        Continued War in Afghanistan
        Increased Drone Killings in Africa

    Joe Biden
        US Troops in Northern Syria
        Armed Ukraine
        US Arms Israeli Bombing of Gaza

[–] Magicicad@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Forgot to include 1,000,000,000,000,000 Uyghurs killed by Xi personally 😔

[–] Red5@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 days ago

Why is “2003 invasion of Iraq” and “Iraq War” listed as 2 things? No need to pump Dubya’s numbers further

[+] Diurnambu1e@hexbear.net -8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

https://lemmy.nz/comment/15846421

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

Why even post a link to that comment? Do you think it's a good example of... well, anything? It's yet another ignorant lemoid lib pearl clutching about something they know nothing about while thinking they owned the tankies but actually just embarrassing themselves by revealing they have no idea what they're talking about. There's no insight or anything new, just making up a strawman ironically by accusing "tankies" of making a strawman. Are you directing us there to so we can point and laugh at how stupid the sinophobic liberals are? If that's the case, then fair enough.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGgOChHp1UE

[–] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 days ago

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[+] mpldr@fosstodon.org -13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

@yogthos Ummm... What about Tibet and Taiwan? Do we count civil wars? Could we also ask the indians (1962), the vietnamese (1979), and russians (various border disputes during soviet era).

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 6 days ago

What about Tibet and Taiwan?

What about Taiwan? Has Beijing already liberated Taiwan and we just haven't heard of it? What exactly are you referring to? If anything the Taiwan situation shows an incredible amount of restraint on their part. Any other country would not be so patient if a vital strategic part of its national territory was allowing hostile foreign powers to militarize and occupy it. China continues to insist on peaceful reunification.

And what about Tibet? Didn't Tibet sign a treaty acknowledging it's a part of China? Were you expecting China not to defend itself against British and American armed violent separatists trying to re-establish a feudal theocracy? Next you'll tell me China is aggressive because it doesn't allow ISIS to establish a caliphate on its territory. A week long police action against separatist insurgents hardly counts as a civil war.

Could we also ask the indians (1962), the vietnamese (1979), and russians

It's telling that you had to go back to before 1980 to find a conflict China was involved in. And none of those wars were started by China, unlike the US's wars of choice. Even in 1979 when China was, in the opinion of most of us here, on the wrong side, they still technically only responded to an attack on one of their allies. The fact that they picked the wrong ally is sad but it doesn't exactly show aggression on their part.

With regards to India, again, China showed incredible restraint. India helped the British and Americans arm violent separatists in Tibet and then launched incursions into Chinese territory. China defended itself and could easily have stayed in the parts of South Tibet they briefly occupied in that skirmish. Yet despite having a very legitimate claim to that territory China made the good faith gesture of pulling out of South Tibet and giving it back to India.

As for the Sino-Soviet border disputes, who exactly are you blaming for them? Are you saying they were all provoked by China? And what did those actually amount to? Basically nothing happened, they were the result of stupid political tensions, nothing more. To compare these nothing-burgers to the US's full fledged wars, regime changes and sponsorships of terrorist insurgencies and brutal military dictatorships is beyond dishonest, it's ridiculous.

You are clutching at straws here bringing up history that many of us here weren't even born when it happened. Show us anything in the last 40 years where China behaved even remotely similar to how the Americans and their Euro lapdogs have done and continue to do.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Taiwan is literally a province of China last I checked. Meanwhile, very brave of you to support slavery.

https://www.historicly.net/p/tibet-china-and-the-violent-reaction

[+] mpldr@fosstodon.org -10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

@yogthos even if we exclude that conflict as a civil war. Thats not addressing the other examples. Reducing Tibet to the Dalai Lama also seems somewhat inappropriate.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Reducing Tibet to the Dalai Lama also seems somewhat inappropriate.

Agreed. It is indeed extremely inappropriate to reduce Tibet to the Dalai Lama and his fellow feudal theocrats. Which is why we don't consider the conflict waged against that tiny ruling elite to be an aggression against Tibet as a whole. It's why we celebrate the liberation of the overwhelming majority of regular Tibetans from feudal serfdom as the liberation of Tibet, because it is they who truly represent Tibet, and not the former ruling caste.

[+] mpldr@fosstodon.org -9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

@cfgaussian say I grant the violent incursion on tibetan land as "liberation" (which I do not), that would still leave the Sino-Indian and Sino-Vietnamese wars. Or do we redefine those away on a technicality as well? Were they maybe not long enough? I dont ask you to defend western imperialism. Its inexcusable. I do ask you to see the PRC for what it is, which includes its flaws and mistakes.

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

say I grant the violent incursion on tibetan land as “liberation” (which I do not)

So you love slavery. Good start.

that would still leave the Sino-Indian

India dicked around, China put them to their place and the war ended in extremely amicable terms.

Sino-Vietnamese wars

There was one (1), so no "wars"(plural), a war(singular). It was a limited border conflict because Vietnam and the PRC ended on different sides of the the Sino-Soviet split.

Were they maybe not long enough?

They happened before the timframe covered by the picture. Tibet happend under Mao, as did the Sino-Indian one. The war against Vietnam happened under Deng. The timeframe covered by the pic is post-Deng. Since then the PRC did, factually, not wage any war.

[–] markinov@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 6 days ago

It was indeed liberation. Otherwise you should say you support the slave-like feudal society.

[–] gaust@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 days ago

My god, both occured before the time frame explicitly stated in the image.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 6 days ago

It's not, Tibet was a theocracy where everyone was a slave of the religious caste. The fact that you keep doubling down on this shows profound lack of morals on your part. Meanwhile, the graphic clearly starts in the 80s. And the amount of conflicts China did have since the revolution can be counted on a palm of your hand. Meanwhile, Burgerland has been at war for its entire deplorable existence.

[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Tbh, it's not really "their wars". It's the imperial war-machine that keeps more or less turning no matter who the current sockpuppet is. it doesn't really matter if they are overly enthusiastic and into the current war or if they are given their marching orders and reminded of what happened to Kennedy if they get difficult.

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