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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

There is a good number of trans players in the fighting game genre. While I don't actively go looking for opinions, I never hear anything negative. The commentators use the pronouns the players want. It's nice. And yeah surprising. Wouldn't think players who choose that genre to be so accepting.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 6 days ago

I think some of the more niche games/genres tend to make its community more open and inclusive, since it's a bunch of people wanting more people to enjoy the things they do.

The moment you get competitive, shit goes downhill hard. From my anecdotal experience with World of Warcraft, a game that caters to both tryhards and casuals, the latter are much more likely to hang around and help you out, or ask for your help, while the former will actively try to make the game worse for everyone, especially those of the opposing faction, ganking low level players that cannot fight back "for the lulz".

Also, anyone that has ever played in a LAN like setting, with your buddies literally within punching distance, knows that everyone behaves better and are less likely to go full apeshit

The scientists then looked specifically at players of shooter games, a genre often associated with military themes and violence. They found that shooter game players were also more likely to hold inclusive values regarding gender roles and equality compared to the general public. Their views on social tolerance were not significantly different from the average American.

Across every model tested, the authors found no evidence that playing video games broadly corresponds to an increase in exclusionary values. “The average person should take away from our findings that video game players are not some monolithic community,” Pauley told PsyPost. “While exclusionary and vocal segments of online gaming communities certainly exist, and we certainly do not want to downplay that, our findings suggest that on average, video game players hold slightly more inclusive values than the general population.”

So, the same problem that has plagued the internet since its inception: the loud idiots are too fucking loud

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

This guy skewed the data, pretty sure:

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I mean, I'm an old gamer.

I feel like we are one of the worst groups for inclusive language but actually pretty damn good at inclusive behavior.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is much more obviously true in the table-top space, but I suspect the obvious expansion of diversity in gaming culture was exactly what all the awful reactionary gatekeeping crap was about, and why they continue to peddle the myth. I’ve seen similar arguments made that comic books are only for young white cishet men and that publishers are deluding themselves by not only catering to that market, despite the fact that the comics market in the US has pretty much collapsed while the more inclusive Euro and Japanese markets are doing very well thank-you-very-much.

[–] GhostFace@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago

There's no way this is actually true. Maybe it seems like it because companies want people to look at them and their games more positively but literally every competitive game and then others isn't.

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Truly the most oppressed class of people 😢

/s if it wasn't obvious

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 136 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Metal heads and punks are also really inclusive despite society viewing them otherwise.

[–] Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 39 points 1 week ago (5 children)

and despite a tiny but vocal minority of them being bigoted assholes (for metalheads at least, don't know enough about punks)

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

"Nazi punks fuck off"

[–] inzen@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Might be just my anecdotal experience but that seems to be the case for basically any group of people. Edit: typos

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

Agreed. Most people, generally, tend to be good individually. We recognize we're all humans. We all get hungry, we all love, we all struggle.

It's the vocal minority that are bigoted and utilize DARVO just like rapists and billionaires 🤷‍♂️. They very well may be on a sociopathic spectrum and/or have devolved by losing empathy, which humans evolved to build society and community and thrive together.

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[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

every group of humans has a subset of bigoted assholes. dont hold it against them unless they are tolerated by the majority.

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Yeah, they are thinking of 2000s xbox live chat. It's been a while since then.

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 57 points 1 week ago

Also the trash tends to stink the most.

[–] alakey@piefed.social 25 points 1 week ago

Not really, I'm thinking of literal unapologetic nazis on Steam, gamergate chuds on Twitter, incels on Reddit, mykittens on Discord and so on and so forth. Competitive games suffer from bigotry the most, but there's still plenty of casual "you aren't a real gamer if all you play is Sims/Stardew/Animal Crossing" aimed primarily at women, too. And of course it's currently the wave of nick fuentes type stains that freak out over anything even remotely "woke" that keeps the shitshow going, the GoW situation literally just took place.

However I do think that all of the above is strongly amplified by the outrage content farms, so I can believe when "The authors suggest that hostility might be driven by a vocal minority of players rather than the general gaming population. It is also possible that certain specific online communities reinforce exclusionary behavior, even if the average gamer holds progressive views."

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yah you don't find a lot of lobbys like 'good old' xbox cod lobbys like that anymore. league of legends i believe currently still holds the crown for current day toxic lobbys

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[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I still see calls for eliminating minorities in Steam forums, and not very subtle ones at that.

I always got the impression the only people who use Steam forums for anything non-technical anymore are people who were teenagers when TF2 dropped and never grew up.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah about the forums...
The only reason you actually choose to go there is either for fixing a game bug or a mod.
You don't go there to discuss the game.
The only other topics there are either horny or toxic.

Yep, was looking up a bug. Even if I hadn't been, it's still there.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In almost 50 years of playing D&D I've found that gamers tend to be more accepting of just about anybody than the general public is. I think it's partly because the gamer population itself gets more than its share of being spurned by that public.

[–] joyjoy@piefed.social 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

All the people who complain about games being woke don't play any games.

[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

they probably play call of duty or similar...

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Chasing that diamond in league.

Who am I kidding, they're chasing silver.

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[–] underscores@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago

let me point you all in the right direction: people in general are more inclusive than the general public is led to believe

[–] PlzGibHugs@piefed.ca 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Direct link to the study: https://www.psycnet.org/doi/10.1037/ppm0000672

Unfortunately, its paywalled, but I'd be curious about the methodology and population.

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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

From my quick read through of their methods it seems like they didn't account very well for the types of games, platforms and demographics. The decade in question saw a massive explosion of gaming as a hobby into the mainstream and, importantly, a strong growth of women in the gaming population.

So as a whole you have games becoming more mainstream to younger ("woke") audiences and more accessible while the inclusive-biased demographics also blew up. It's not at all shocking that you'd find more inclusivity there.

A much more interesting study would be separating the gamers from the Gamers. Show me how people playing Splatoon and Animal Crossing compare to the neckbeards living in LoL and HoI4...

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

Tbf there is a certain overlap between gaming circles (e.g. hard core tryhard games and chill mellow games).
But besides that: Yeah, some game communities can get very toxic. Even more so if you open up to a weakness they can exploit easily while one is vulnerable...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (8 children)

A much more interesting study would be separating the gamers from the Gamers.

That would require you to define a Real Gamer, which would be divisive by design.

It's an exercise in nutpicking.

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[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is obviously just my experience but the younger generation is not inclusive at all, kind of the opposite. At least around the north east US where I have lived.

I work in a kitchen. I often have food runners, hosts and dishwashers who are under 18. They're extremely uncool sometimes.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah.

Kids are jerks. They’re naive. I certainly was; I think that’s always been a thing, though I can’t comment on how much worse or better it’s gotten.

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[–] ODGreen@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe - hear me out here - engaging in stories tends to make you more empathetic? Movies, books, games, they all give you stories about other people. If you're shown how to imagine what it's like to be another person, you will probably end up being a better person.

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[–] blackwateropeth@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just don’t hang out with Madden or COD players and you’re probably fine :D

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

I play a lot of multiplayer games and I find that gaming constantly teaches me that no matter what, it always comes down to the quality of the community.

Every other aspect of design is a comparatively merely a detail.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Unless that game is csgo

Source: I play csgo

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 9 points 1 week ago

Here's my personal anecdote that supports this.

I live in Pennsylvania, which is considered a swing state, but it did vote for Trump both of the times he won. Pretty humiliating.

AGDQ this year was in Pittsburgh so I got to attend a couple days. It is by far the most inclusive crowd I've been in locally, where people can just let their true colors out without constant fear. I think it's the only crowd where I've heard "trans rights" exclaimed and met with cheers. And it's truly inclusive in both directions. I'm a big old bearded straight cis white guy and nothing made me feel out of place either.

Between gaming communities and FOSS/linux communities, I think it's we nerds who are so inclusive!

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

makes sense,maybe the less inclusive/racism thing comes from your view not the video games you play.

[–] MoogMuskie@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah, woah. What a surprise!

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