Excellent! Fuck Musk.
And while I'm not an AI hater, that is 100% the investors trying to cash out before the industry runs into trouble.
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Excellent! Fuck Musk.
And while I'm not an AI hater, that is 100% the investors trying to cash out before the industry runs into trouble.
Yeah, it really is painfully obvious that the fatcats are trying to cash out on the bubble before it blows.
For those that didn't see the article from yesterday, the relevant rule that they refused to waive was the one that said a company must be profitable.
lol
Lololololol the president of my company went full AI shithead recently and he posted how it was a big deal that they were going public and he was talking about how he see it as a great investment to purchase shares and I asked how it was a great investment to get shares of a company severely in the red and my comment got deleted in a few minutes
Edit: we also got claude code for everyone in the company and they are monitoring token use (as in we need to use a lot) and I asked if they were concerned that the token price would rise if the board of directors of anthropic suddenly wanted to make a profit and that comment also got deleted (this was in a virtual townhall so we can ask stuff, usually they just ignore the ones they don't want to answer but they were actually deleting them this time)
You know this already but your company management are morons.
is...your company publically traded itself? looking for an easy short
My last company they didn't delete messages. That would be to obvious.
"I am sorry we didn't get around to answering all the questions live. We will respond to the remaining by email"
No more questions were answered.
Sounds like they don't want to go along with these sham corporations and their smoke & mirrors accounting. It's like they want the companies in their index to be on sound financial footing or something.
Loooooseeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrs! Demanding fiscal accountability. HA!
The very idea!

Lol, they got told to fuck off for not being profitable.

While I love the sentiment; I'm reading this decision by S&P as just about not bending their rules. AI is not thriving fast/convincingly enough to break tradition of big finance; I don't think that makes S&P an ally. And I suspect this means they'll just be joining a bit later.
'A bit later' is really all the is required to meet the standard. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/tesla-isnt-a-gurantee-for-the-sp-500-even-with-year-of-profits.html
S&P Dow Jones has a history of making companies earn it, including previous Elmo ventures.
I'm not bullish on any of it, and I'm desperately trying to exit AI holdings as swiftly as I'm able, but I am deeply comforted by major indexes requiring companies demonstrate profitability or at least meaningful actual revenue beyond the self-dealing that we've seen between the IPO hopefuls.
ngl if AI dies i hope we get more ethical models, open-weight models (mostly) solve this, but it would be cool if it was trained only on public domain.
I've already withdrawn money I had invested in US.
You can't convince me this isn't bubble:

Here's an even more interesting one:

It's the P/E ratio (the ration between the stock Price of a company and it's Earnings) of the Nasdaq vs the Price.
Notice how the Nasdaq price has tracked the P/E, with since at least 2020 the stock prices not increasing because company earnings are going up but rather just from increased speculation hence the rise in the ratio of stock Prices to Earnings.
The P/E (in other words, the company stock prices relative to the actual money a company makes) is now about twice as much as back in 2020.
Wow that's a pretty wild statistic here. Is there historical precedent for this?
The main issue as usual is US hegemony (or what's left of it) has a way of fucking up the rest of the world. When that bubble pops it's going to cause a whole bunch of industries trouble.
Hence why there is frantic effort in decoupling from USA and connecting with alternative markets in the rest of the world.
Yeah fucking finally too!
Every fucking american crisis bleeds into our countries every goddamn time, but they? Let's do worse next time!! No regulation!! War!!
Aaaahrg.
/Rant off
Yup I moved mostly out of usd, no stocks listed in the US, no US Treasuries.
I see either default or massive inflation or both in the cards for the US very soon.
I'm still invested in some US stocks, but I'm switching my US market exposure to an index fund that weights by actual sales, revenue, and other objective factors, rather than market cap. Companies don't even get into the index unless they turn a profit first.
Good. Those clowns will trash the index funds that so many depend on for retirement funding if they tank. And AI certainly will, and SpaceX is dependent on the whims of a drug addicted wingnut.
I didn't know that the SNP500 had such rules, but I'm so happy they didn't cave.
I hope people sue the indexes for changing the rules. Im not sure its possible but it really makes an index meaningless if its not consistent.
Nasdaq and Russel caved though. I don't know if there is a way to avoid them in our 401k.
Asset allocation funds might still include it. Your Vanguards and BlackRocks.
The very broad funds definitely will - VTI/VTSAX - but at lower weights and under less time pressure than the rigid index funds (VOO/VFIAX). That takes off a lot of the liquidity squeeze and (presumably) reduces their loss.
But you have to remember that people who use these funds intentionally invest in obvious losers and willingly overpay for hyped stocks because they believe, in the long run, that buying obvious losers is more than balanced by also buying the unexpected winners.
SpaceX is just the first time an oligarch tried so obviously to rig the passive investor structure to his favor, and I'm glad the S&P people didn't cave.
based S&P
It's not based it's just that every investor can see that AI has no actual profitable future. Also no one wants to have anything to do with the company run by Elon Musk, he has nothing to contribute and tends to spend his entire time generating bad PR.
These are what we call financially sound decisions.
Good.
Fuck Musk.
But let's be real they'll just wait the standard length for entry. No big deal for them. If he needs more funds I'm sure he can ask the US government again.
The only thing I'm gonna try investing in from this AI shitshow is China's CXMT RAM since they have a good chance of shanking both Nvidia and the RAM thug monopoly lol.
Fair. There's no universe in which those three companies should be foisted on passive investors at this stages.
Oh thank god
Fatwa all those godawful techbros.
They didn't block them, they just won't buy it until it has been on the market for a while